howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well, everyone knows my views, but until they are accepted, nothing will improve, it'll just die - which is a big shame because a really good market here would make a massive difference to the shops as well.
I must be the most unpopular person in Dover because the TT tells everyone my ideas are rubbish - it became "personal" some time ago, so I was told by an ex-member of the TT.
The sad thing is that it is Dover that suffers (again), not me. I don't want a job, but I know how to make the market work.
Roger
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I have always believed the market was in the wrong part of Dover, near Pencester would have been better. Once the fish stall went there was nothing to entice me to go to a part of town I never visit unless I need to go to the DDC offices or my solicitor.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The stalls that are left are more spread out now towards the centre of town, i think that the momentum was lost with not being able to go inside last winter.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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It is sadly in the wrong place and never stood a chance of being successful as there were never enough stalls to keep peoples interest. Ten minutes look around and you where on you way back to the car.
Who ever organises the market need a trip to Rye on a Thursday and see how it is done, mind you they do have a parking problem there.
You need a good size area such as a car park or waste ground (think we have a few waste grounds) talk to and get a good number of stall holders to be interested first and have some where close for people to park their cars and if it is good enough you may even get coaches.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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but mind you the fruit and veg stall has been there for years.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Roger Walkden wrote:Well, everyone knows my views, but until they are accepted, nothing will improve, it'll just die - which is a big shame because a really good market here would make a massive difference to the shops as well.
I must be the most unpopular person in Dover because the TT tells everyone my ideas are rubbish - it became "personal" some time ago, so I was told by an ex-member of the TT.
The sad thing is that it is Dover that suffers (again), not me. I don't want a job, but I know how to make the market work.
Roger
Time for some facts here.
I ran the market for nearly 2 years, we peaked at 30 stalls and only in really bad weather did we have less than 20. It seems its struggling now, not sure why.
Roger, instead of moaning about what should be done, why don't you visit the market tomorrow and offer your services FOC until the end of the year? You'll be able to prove conclusively once and for all that your plan is the right one.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I think Roger would have to be a stronger person than I am to do as David suggests after the abuse he has received on this forum regarding his ideas.
David, you might have had all those stalls but were they making enough money, seems not or they would still be there.
I gave my reasons why I do not bother with the market seems others might feel the same.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Jan, I ran my last market in December, 20+ there all very happy. I resigned in January no idea what's happened since.
My point is, Roger claims to have the answers, the market is struggling, Roger's big chance to prove his approach is the right one.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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David - I have been put down by you and many others of the Town Team, I don't need to put myself up for that again.
If you had employed that Market Manager on a commission-only basis as I suggested some time ago, we would now have a market to be proud of. He would have gone out and brought a whole, new set of market-traders to Dover.
I don't want a job now - as one of the TT volunteers or a paid job; I know what needs doing and I'm sure you do too, but just refuse to follow it up.
Dover would benefit from a good street-market, something we simply don't have.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Roger, you can clearly read, I'm worried about your comprehension.
In the 2 years I ran the market we never had less than 20 stalls, usually a lot more, everybody happy, all volunteers, I saw you there ONCE.
When I resigned they appointed a market manager, no idea of the terms. This is the perfect opportunity for you to prove inconclusively that everybody was wrong and you were right. Will you take up the challenge or will you continue to sit on your hands and complain?
It seems, as myself and the Town Team suspected, that you don't actually want the job, you simply want to criticise from the sidelines.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I thought there now was a market manager/co-ordinator.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Yes there is, I pointed that out earlier
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
if there is a market manager?,he/she is not doing a good job.
I think the phrase is ..... unfit for purpose.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
David, my point was that it might have been ok when you ran it but if the traders were not making decent profits it is not surprising they did not return after the winter lay-off.
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Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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I think it might be wise to just sit down face to face rather taking it all out in a forum.
Dover is actually a brilliant Place to have a market and the shops could actually benefit from too. I have been down a view times and what to say not many traders. But I am always happy to see the fruit ad Veg Stall on Saturdays :)
Best market was the international one, french and italian :) thats how it suppose to be...
Dover got so many possibilities use them :)
If no one wants to do the Job. Ask the younger Generations... be open minded and go for it
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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You can have market stalls galore, the white cliffs experience, a big screen in the town, a cineworld cinema and a frankie and bennys - but if people don't want to visit dover then they will always fail.
Jack of Hearts
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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what Dover need is getting the young Generations involved as they have greater wider spectrum of ideas then the older Generations. Yes they are experienced and thats why a good mix of both will pull through anything even in Dover with so many Critics ;)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Does anyone have any knowledge as to when the market will restart?
I messaged their Facebook page 3 weeks ago and have had no reply.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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there was a bit of a market first thing howard.