27 October 2010
16:4976902How can anyone say that there are too many deer? When was the last time you saw a wild deer in this area? The problem is not that they need culling to keep the herds healthy. The problem is two-fold. Firstly that if they were allowed freedom of movement that would enable them to find food, they would damage farmers crops. And of course, farmers crops are more important than the life of an animal because it has a monetary value.
Secondly, the requirement for culling is a misleading point put about by those who take pleasure in blood lust. They have to justify their actions and this is the only thing that they can come up with. Once man learns to live in harmony with nature, the world will be a much better place.
And I guess I could accept the death of this animal if it was for its meat, much as I would not condone it, but this animal was killed simply for the sake of blood lust. And these sort of people who kill purely for the sake of killing do not deserve to be part of society.
Jan Higgins
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27 October 2010
17:3476910For you information Lesley I do not "take pleasure in blood lust", nor have I ever been involved or have any desire to take part in a hunt or cull.
The last time I saw a deer was in the field at the rear of my son's garden in Oxfordshire and the little b....r had just eaten the newly planted shrub I had bought him as an anniversary present down to the ground.
BTW how do you know the hunter is not tucking into his meal of venison at this very moment.
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27 October 2010
17:4476912'The phrase "the Bambi effect" has been used by some commentators to suggest that people's objections to the killing of animals that they perceive as adorable (particularly deer and other woodland creatures), while the same people do not objecting to the killing of animals not perceived as adorable, is an irrational and inconsistent psychological phenomenon.'
I note that the Fuhrer, a vegetarian, was the pioneer of hunting bans. His draconian laws were announced in Germany on July 3, 1934, on the grounds that hunting with hounds was 'unsporting'.
It has been my experience that the more people like bunny-wunnys the less they like humans.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
18:0476913jan
i don't think lesley was referring to you.
bob
the fuhrer does eat meat, pot noodles too sometimes.
or did you mean the one up at whitfield?
anyway moving on, yes there is that bit about cuddly animals, not the case with me.
i was livid when i first heard, i eat meat and slaughtered slugs, snails and hard working ants wholesale during the spring and summer.
i shudder to think what i would have done to that cuddly rabbit from next door that ate so many of my best plants if i had caught it.
uncuddly frogs, toads and slow worms are my favourite garden visitors, marvel at their ability to survive despite so much of their habitat and food sources disappearing due to us humans.
my objection is with any saddo that wants to kill something purely for fun, i confess to not understanding the mentality.
it does make me laugh when i hear people call themselves hunters, real hunters are masai warriors armed with a spear taking on a lion, risking their lives and then eating the kill.
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27 October 2010
18:117691627 October 2010
18:2876918Jan, sorry, I did not think for a moment that you would be that way inclined. It takes a particular sort of person to be able to take aim at a live creature and pull the trigger. Thankfully they are in the minority.
The first reports of this kill described it as a trophy kill, probably for the antlers that are at their largest during the rut. If he had taken it for its meat, its unlikely that the kill would have been discovered and reported.
Brian Dixon
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27 October 2010
19:0276923jan/lesley,what are your views on fishing as a sport,i go fihing,beach/pier etc,i do it as a hobby sport but only take home what i need.colin could you answer as well.
27 October 2010
19:1076925Brian, sport fishing I dont agree with, where the fish is caught and then thrown back after having had its throat and mouth ripped apart. But fishing for food is acceptable in my view, although I would not partake
27 October 2010
19:5776938I like bunny-wunnys and there are some humans I quite like too. I am vegetarian bordering on vegan but see the need to manage crops and animals. What is pathetic is the hypocritical weeping and wailing about the killing of an animal because it is big and famous.
Keith Sansum1
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27 October 2010
20:1576944Hunting is cruel and i will never be convinced otherwise.
it's no pleasure for the fox or badger or who ever.
and drag hunting does exactly the same thng without the blood and cruelty.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
20:1876945simply put keith and eloquent at the same time.
drag hunting was put forward as an alternative, but the blood lust would not have been satisfied.
why anyone would want to kill a badger is beyond me.
27 October 2010
20:2376948Keith, and that is exactly why drag hunting is NOT done. They still go out with hounds and 'accidentally' catch a fox. But this ilk of person like the blood and cruelty, that can be the only reason they continue even though it is banned and against the law. There are numerous clips on youtube of fox hunters meeting the public who are trying to stop it and their cruelty extends to people as well, with anti hunt people being attacked and run into by horses. As you say, hunting is cruel, and can only be done by cruel people.
Bern, I think that this killing will do some good - it has brought back to the forefront of peoples minds that this sick barbarity continues, whereas before it was going on but people didn't know about it. There is no place for blood sports in a modern civilised society and, lets face it, the media are only interested in celebrities, hence the coverage.
27 October 2010
20:2576951I used to ride to hunt in my Tory youth, and thought I was enjoying it. It is a long journey from there to vegan! I hate to use the C word, but it is really a matter of culture - hunting was what I knew and until I grew a heart and asked myself some questions it was just what we did. What we know as children really does inform what we do as adults unless we ask ourselves some open ended and honest questions! I can hardly believe I used to do that now - but I did.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
20:4376954is that where you met posh barry?
i believe that he still rides to hounds, whatever that means.
anyway back to my stirrup cup.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 October 2010
21:2876963I`ve always been against blood sports, and hunting in general, but this is a vast subject which you could argue about till eternity. Brian, I can`t add to what`s already been said above, it`s such an enormous thing that it can only really be discussed on an individual basis. Why not start up a fishing thread? On a purely personal note, I`m not religious as most will know on here, and if there`s a designer above like these christian fanatics keep preaching about, then he`s a very bad one at that. You`ll never stop the cruelty and killing in this world to any species, and why the hell don`t these religious people worldwide start blessing animals for once instead of our lot all the time? Why the hell do members of our species keep thinking we`re something special for heaven`s sake? Luckily for the world of other life forms, there are a few of our species who care.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
21:3176965Brian, I must admit I have never really understood the lure (sorry
) of fishing, so long as it is for food I see nothing wrong. A nice trout goes down very well, pike is a
, my favourite though is a large skate wing cooked in slightly burnt butter.
I think I will finish with this subject I find the anti hunting debates get nasty and personal in the end. Reason seldom prevails on either side.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 October 2010
21:3776966Colin
I think that is the point.
on joinng the county/district councils 25 years it was the protecton of wldlife that got me into politics(see jan lol)
I pushed for huntng on council land in District and county land to be banned
to the annoyance of barryw.
it all went through.
It was more to highlight the issue.
Still today badgers are being klled, there are 2 sets of scientist opnion on the badger and do they need to be culled.
Scientsts have said the argument of desease could have come from domestic pets somethng that to date has not been denied.
But badgers go on being killed.
To be fair I pushed elliot morley in the then webbs hotel as the shadow ministerto stop this klling sadly once in govt he didnt, so labour or tory not much better than each other on the issue.
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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27 October 2010
22:0076968OK I'll stick my head out and watch for the shots.
I totally disagree with the reasons or the sneaky way the stag was shot, old yes, past his prime maybe but no need for the cloak and dagger way it was done. but hey it's done. I'm sure some of his offspring will be just as big as he is.
I also hunt and shoot rabbits, only to do local farmers a favour to save vast amounts of crops.
I would never injure any other form of wildlife unless absolutely necessary, ie because of a bad injury or similar. Ferriting is a firm favourite too.
Any type of vermin gets it.
I also go fishing and love it, does that make you dislike me or make me a criminal.?
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 October 2010
22:0276969Ian
it's not about dislike
its about debate
I'm sure your a nice guy realy lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
22:1376971i always suspected that ian(despite his friendly demeanour) was a bit dodgy.
will let the cat stay in tonight just in case he is running wild with his kalashnikov.
