Keith Sansum1
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think there will be more bombshells soon
mr fox must be shaking in his shoes that it dont all come out
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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its all getting very very murky
maybe time liam did the honorouble thing
it wont help DC to huff and puff over it
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 58. As you will know Middle and Far East and around the world expatriates are a close society.When an Armament dealer is in their midst the whisper goes round.
Whispers end up in our embassies and spread in the group.Civil servants are aware especially in the MOD.
Mr.Werrity would have been tagged ``Gun Runner``Everybody would know.
Are we to believe Fox did not know?
Perhaps Fox ignored the warnings/advice about his friend?..............like Flashman did Coulson?
Perhaps its a defect in our Cabinet Ministers?
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Revealed yesterday a network of right wing Conservative party donors support Dr Fox and indirectly Werrity.Micheal Lewis and Lee Peter of Lobbying firm Tetra Stategy are embroiled in the controversy around Dr Fox.
Mr.Zabludowicx who`s father owned Sholtam an Isreali Arms Company.
Micheal Hintze who financed trips for Fox and Werrity and have given him free office space at his london office HQ.
It would appear the Conservatives are`` all in it together``
The ministeral code is clear it is not just a conflict of interests that matters.It is the perception of a conflict of interest.
Ms Sue Gray attended Werrity interviews.Ms Gray is the `black cap` of ministers resignations.She called time on David Law and Mrs Blears ministerial careers.`God` Sir Gus O`Donnel will sign the report to Flashman but Ms Gray will decide Dr.Fox`s ministerial career.
Flashman is in a no win situation .If he sacks him right wingers will give him a hard time.If he stays Public Perception will be that he is weak, ineffectual and scared to lead.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Of course, to you just being right wing is a capital offence so I expect nothing more that from you Reg.
Liam is a long-standing 'Atlanticist' who's views are very much in line with those people you mention (as indeed are my own) so they do not exactly stand to gain from lobbying him as such activities would normally be done to persuade someone to their cause.
I certainly hope that Cameron does not make any rash decisions to sack Liam and bow down to the lowest common denominator muck raking nonsense.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The trouble is, Barry, he would appear to have broken the ministerial code of conduct. He is doing DC and the Tory party no favours by dragging it out. I really can't see that his defence expertise is good enough to go out on a limb for; Fox ought to do the decent thing and perhaps come back to Cabinet later. After all, Mandelson got out of worse scrapes and came back....again.....and again.....
The media are beginning to sniff Major-style sleaze and that has to be stopped at all costs as it taints the government as a whole, not just the individuals in it. Facts may be inconvenient to those with the blood scent but it's perceptions which make the Westminster scene go round.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
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I have kept out of this one so far and left it to you political fanatics.
The more I hear on the news the more I believe Dr Fox has been bl..dy stupid and should go as it brings his judgement into doubt.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Quite agree. He will then learn from his lesson and be a little older and wiser if and when he is offered another job. Time for a cabinet reshuffle methinks!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Liam Fox has fallen on his sword and resigned. He really did not have much choice but rather than silence the press, they'll now want to drain the last drop of blood out of the story so I think there's more to come.
What with him and Oliver Letwin you've got to hand it to the tories they're good for a laugh, cause if you didn't laugh at them you'd cry.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is sad news.
Liam was a very capable Minister who did a good job at the MoD and has done a lot to improve things like procurement. He fought a hard battle to protect as much of the Defence budget as he could and without him the MoD would have been hit a lot harder. He made some tough but necessary choices. He is not guilty of any kind of personal financial irregularities and his integrity is intact. He did make some mistakes but was guilty more of loyalty to friends than anything else. Liam is a good man and I am sure he will return to the political front-line as we have seen Ministers do who have been guilty of far, far worse things than his errors.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Amazing, I actually find myself agreeing with much of what you say. I do think he was a victim of his own folly and failed to see the consequences of his actions. I don't think he is a bad man at all but has been incredibly naive and stupid.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i doubt if his integrity is intact though, he should have resigned earlier rather than be kicked dragging and screaming out of the building.
he knew that dave did not want to sack him as there is a loyal following on the right of the party that would nail their colours to his mast.
this they will certainly do now.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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He had to go,he was in the wrong,if it had been a red the blues would have wanted him out right from the start.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Liam was a complete failure as Defence minister, as his track record shows. He told us last year that we MUST be quiet and let him continue the war in Afghanistan. I told everyone then that we must tell him where to get off!
About time this failure has gone! Not before they sparked off another war though.
Tory credibility must be heading towards the cellars.
I think the Gang of Four is falling apart, with Camers and Hague still holding out, and Nick on his way out anyway
Masses of former Tory supporters are going over to support UKIP, which since May 2010 has doubled its support from 3.5% to 7%.
The Liam fox-trot affair should be the first of a series of spectacular scenes creating a vacuum around Camers, and I think many of the remaining Tory supporters must be appaled at the Fox-gate scandal.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Tip of the Iceberg!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i have to agree with post 74 on this one
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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With the Secretary of Defence having a private mate going to the MoD 18 times on private visits, and attending 22 official overseas meetings concerning national affairs together with Liam Fox, but as a private mate of the Defence Secretary, we should all be concerned.
This mate has been claiming to be the adviser to Britain's Defence Secretary, and it also seems he purchased a company, or opened one up, which deals with Defence matters!
It is very obscure, and the whole thing should have been stopped long ago. Instead it all dragged on, and the PM must have known about it, he must have been informed long ago.
This is a scandal, we've been taken for a ride! How can an unelected and private mate of a Secretary of State have so much influence on national affairs? What was he advising in the MoD, and what was he doing on official visits?
It's not the question of who paid for his participations, but what he was doing at these meetings and what he was advising that concerns me.
There has to be a Parliamentary inquest, otherwise we can throw democracy and Parliamentary regulations away!
Our Country cannot be governed by the private mates of top-ranking ministers.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Mossad...Iran...........etc etc........The Ice Berg not even thawing.
