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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i bet cleggy is choking on his silk cut over this one.
takes the heat off of the yellows.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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wonder who it is the blues think are all in it together?
dc and now fox certainly are
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Not followed this. Just seems a pile of trivia at a time when there are much more important issues for people to concern themselves with.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i think this is more about did mr fox know his friend had produced on house of commons paper that he was an advisor to mr fox
thats fairly misleading i would say
thats for 1 anyway
lots more unanswered questions at the mo
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# 25. Defence..........................Small Beer?
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The Fox issue as you well know.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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dave doesn't think it trivial, he is spitting feathers about it.
wouldn't like to be dr fox this morning.
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Of course the issue itself is trivial, he is spitting feathers as you put it over the publicity it has attracted, that is not trivial. Sadly trivia is something the media love.
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I have just been catching up with this story this morning and read several stories across the media. To me it is summed up by this extract of a Coffee House article this morning. For anyone who knows anything about Liam Fox this will ring very true.
""The Defence Secretary has been an ass. He admits that he allowed "distinctions to be blurred" between his "professional responsibilities and [his] personal loyalties to a friend". But if someone has known you and counselled you and worked for you over the years it is all but impossible to maintain such distinctions when you are in power. You just have to cut them off, brutally. Fox's biggest weakness, and one which was well known before this, is that he is too kind. You might say he is too human. It made him a good doctor. But in the higher echelons of politics or business it is a fault. Against that, Fox is brave and highly principled. He is also unswervingly personally honest — a point which incidentally, albeit tacitly, is assumed by his harshest public critics.""
Full story here:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7301658/in-defence-of-liam-fox.thtmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the spectator would say that wouldn't they, hardly a neutral point of view.
i suspect that there is more to this story that will come out over a period of time.
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howard
the cover up has started
i hope D.C. sees through all that
but more im sure will unfold
lets see what the outcome from DC is
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You should read the Speccy more Howard and you will find how wrong you are to dismiss this article in such short order. I have been reading several sources earlier before I posted that.
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getting back to the thread heading
wonder if DC will take any action
or just bottle out
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i find the times to be more objective and less grovelling barry.
i whipped a copy out of posh barry's letter box this morning and they had a very long and detailed account of the behaviour of liam's chum.
i cannot post a link as it is a paysite.
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This debate or rather the question and answer session is still going on as i write. The government benches are very much behind Fox whereas Labour are asking the delicate questions that need to be asked. Although Mr Cameron was talking tough late last week he seems to have watered down his position today. However it has become clear that Fox had Werritty with him abroad 22 times as I understand it rather than the 16 initially thought.
Picture shows Fox robustly defending his position. Second picture shows Charlie Elphicke also speaking in the session.
In responding to Dennis Skinner who pointed out to Fox that his Tory friends in the newspapers, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph, were not supporting him, Fox said looking at Dennis Skinner that he was...
"proof that a good bottle can be kept open too long!"
which was certainly nasty and certainly ageist.
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Mild by the standard of parliamentary insults from the past, PaulB.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes peter, bob found that out to his cost,,,,
but today it was agreed these were not trivial mistakes as totries try to state
but the findings that are agreed were serious mistakes
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought i heard charlie speaking on the background, i was on the phone at the time and couldn't get to the remote control.
i didn't hear the defence scretary make the comment but i would imagine that denis skinner has thrown around some stuff in his time.
the blue press is certainly sharpening the knives for him, skinner is right there.
