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Titus 3:1 Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ah the good book neil, sadly that will be wasted on the pagans, satanists, publicans and sinners that form our membership.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, it is you who keeps using the term "force", not me.
I used the word "teach".
You are avoiding any theme that does not fit in a political pigeon-hole.
The British Flag is Christian, the British Constitution is Christian, the Oath of Coronation requires the Gospel to be defended.
And the British State by Constitution refers to the queen as the head of just about everything.
Then you go on to say that the Christian Faith should not have any special status in Britain.
You have avoided all that you see as contrary to a political agenda box, will not accept it as a valid part of discussion, and yet you still claim that the house of Windsor may not be questioned, or at least seem to be implying this.
This is not compatible with the Oath of Coronation, so why should I recognise the house of Windsor as our head, when blatantly the Christian Faith is being shunned by common British law?
Now try giving an explanation to this question, Keith, without attempting to force onto me the queen's declared superiority.
After all, she gives royal consent to all laws passed in Parliament.
So how can a law-abiding person in Britain reject that Christianity should be our Country's sole official Faith, considering the queen's apparent omnipotence in our laws and institutions, while at the same time being forced to accept the queen as head anyway?
Brian Dixon
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ok,so we have lessons in god,queen and country,and nothing else,right ok.but what about the other proper stuff that we really need to know.like maths,english,siance etc.
Keith Sansum1
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Alexander
I think you have answered your own question the queen is head of the church of England thus christianity
On other issues such as teachings in schools that is a wider issue and maybe in respect of other religions all should be considered(including maybe humanist) to give the full information on ALL religions surely is better than saying
ONLY the christian religion is the right way
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, even the queen does not claim to be the head of Christianity.
For example, she is considered head of the Anglican Church, but not the Scottish Church.
However, the English Church was founded in Kent in the days of King Ethelbert and Queen Bertha, and not by Henry VIII, so the queen can't be the head of the English Church.
The rest of your post does not take into consideration that Britain is by Constitution a Christian Nation.
Are you suggesting that the Christian Faith be replaced by other religions in British schools?
Is this compatible with the British Constitution?
And is it compatible with the Oath of Coronation?
No it is not!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander
i'm no royalist but i understand the queen is
defender of faith
and supreme govornor of the church of england
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, the term "Defender of the Faith" was given by the pope to King Henry VIII when he spoke out in defence of the Catholic Church against the Protestant Martin Luther.
It's use thereafter as an hereditary title for the Protestant British monarchy is sheer rubbish!
A complete contradiction in terms.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well i gave you the answer, the fact, but obviously your still in your world,
let me know when you come back lol
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes but Keith, I have disputed the facts.
There are other facts, and the queen may be considered the head of the Church of England, following the title which Henry VIII attributed to himself, but the same Henry VIII also had his wife Queen Anne Boleyn murdered, in that she was tried and sentenced to death on false accusations.
He also stole from English churches and priories, kept the wealth or distributed it to his friends in high places, and knocked many churches and priories down, including our two priories in Dover.
Took land away from families and gave it to wealthy buyers, reducing many into poverty.
This person is not the founder of the English Church, and if his title of "Defender of the Faith" received previously from the pope, while still a Catholic and before his spate of theft and murder, was then used for subsequent British Protestant monarchs, and now by the queen, this does not make it automatically a valid title, as it stems from the opposite of what Henry VIII later committed himself to.
I do question things, Keith, and there are valid arguments to be made.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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So you do not recognise the Queen, or that she heads the church of England christian faith?
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No!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it all becomes a bit of an irrelevance who is defender of the faith, churches have been closing faster than pubs over recent years.
christianity is a minor part of british life now, with the indigenous population drifting away from churches altogether and the only new builds are mosques and hindu and sikh temples.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You are right, Howard, more churches have been ripped down in Britain since 1952 than in Russia during 70 years of Communism. They're being replaced with about as many mosques
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard;
I dont dispute what you say, that makes it all the more important then that we dont push christianity onto people if it is a minority as you indicate
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No-one is talking of pushing Christianity onto people, Keith, it is you who keeps claiming that I am trying to force Christianity onto people.
The atheist agenda of Labour and the BBC and the back-door policies of ripping down churches is forcing atheism onto people, Keith. Trying to force the Christian Faith out of British schools while at the same time trying to force a private family onto us all, and deliberately ignoring the Oath of Coronation, must surely be contrary to the beliefs and the conscience of many British people, many of whom believe their children have the right to learn about Christianity at school and DO NOT have to be taught to become Muslims, as you have repeatedly stated.
You cannot force other religions onto people Keith, and you cannot force the Christian Faith into oblivion.
You have repeatedly stated that British schools should either teach no Christian Faith, or should teach other religions to children. I wish you would stop writing that I am trying to FORCE the Christian Faith onto people!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander;
Maybe then if you latest view is that your NOT in fact forcing the issue onto people, then don't have any religion taught in schools, that way it would satisfy all in this debate.
In regard to church's being pulled down, you may like to consider Howards point on falling church numbers, this could well be the reason for church councils decisions to close some of them.
I always recall being told by an activist in my local area that numbers were high in his church so i popped along there many times throughout the year, and although they were very welcoming, there figures just about got to double figures
hardly packed.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith,
"Maybe then if your latest view is that your NOT in fact forcing the issue onto people"
I have never tried to force Christianity onto people and have not changed my view, therefore!
Don't ram words into my mouth, please!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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talking of churches,i happened to be in one last saterday [4th of may],to attend a funeral of a local murder victim.to say it was packed would be an understatement,at least 300 seated with another 50 or so standing.but this may have been a one of as the lad was really popular.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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he certyainly was brian
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