Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#121
You will not help anyone get out of poverty by reducing their opportunities or damaging aspiration. The latter may be a bit of a buzz work these days but it is a perfectly true point that people do need to aspire to something and be motivated to improve their own lot rather than get into a rut depending on an overblown benefit system. What we all need are opportunities and more wealth creation and that requires a more sensible, low spending, low taxing economy that does not place a massive burden on the wealth creating sector so it can compete and prosper. Getting public spending down and reducing this massive burden are essential for the poorest in our society even if, in the short term, it creates problems. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. The alternative is more pain over a much longer drawn out period while the economy keeps on struggling.
Keith Sansum1
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#122
There are so many views on this
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Brian Dixon
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#123
barry,big words dont feed bellies,work there is none to speak off,the well paid ones where you dont need to claim top up benifits.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#124
true brian
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#125
Unemployment has been reduced and thousands of immigrants have had not trouble finding employment Brian. This is not about big words, it is about repairing the damage to the economy. Only by doing that can people's lot be improved and for that we have to drop the short-sighted foolish envy that is in the way.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#126
I dont have any envy
but i do care
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#127
Are you suggesting Barry doesn't "care"?
Whatever "care" means
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#128
Ha ha
now its fair and care
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#129
Keith - you do not care at all.
You are being self-indulgent with your wimpering about caring and complaining about inequality. That is all it is self-indulgent.
If you really cared you would want the right things done about the economic problems and I have told you exactly what needs to be done.
Caring is about action not words.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#130
Barryw
you are incorrect in the term of caring,#
And certainly on my part its not just words,
You have given a view on a way forward just as others have given alternative views
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#131
barryw,there was a rise of 7000 extra people claiming jsa last month.still dosent look good.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#132
'Brick up your doors, knock down the walls': Labour MP Frank Field makes dramatic
call before 'bedroom tax' hits
The cut will reduce a claimant's housing benefit payments if their home is deemed
under-occupied
A former welfare minister has delivered a dramatic appeal to landlords to take direct
action against the "bedroom tax" by knocking down walls or bricking up windows in
protest against housing benefit cuts.
Thousands of people will protest tomorrow against the changes, which come into
force on Monday, in more than 50 demonstrations in all parts of Britain.
Further campaigns of civil disobedience are planned next month over the bedroom
tax, under which people face losing up to one-quarter of their housing benefit if their
home is judged to be under-occupied.
The Labour MP Frank Field urged a revival of the defiant spirit of the 17th-century
when glass was replaced by brick in homes across the country in an attempt to avoid
the hated "window tax" introduced to pay for the Nine Years' War.
A Poll tax in the making ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#133
makes a change for field to come out with something like that he is normally a right wing fellow traveller.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#134
You took the words out of my mouth howard.
Frank fields was one of the geezers pushing to come down hard on benefit people
whats changed his mind?
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#135
'Bedroom tax will hurt most vulnerable' say housing associations, as London
council suggests affected couples foster a child to avoid losing housing benefit
Report says there is no need for people to move in some areas as families with
a spare room outnumber overcrowded households by three to one
The introduction of the "bedroom tax" could backfire by increasing the benefits bill
and failing to tackle overcrowding, housing associations forecast this evening.
Their warning came ahead of Monday's introduction of a scheme under which
people living in social properties deemed too large for their needs lose up to 25 per cent
of their housing benefit entitlement.
The Independent reported yesterday that Frank Field, a former welfare minister, had
appealed to landlords to take direct action against the "wicked" moves by knocking down
walls or bricking up doors. More than 50 rallies against the bedroom tax will be staged
across the United Kingdom on Saturday.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#136
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#137
another badly thought out policy
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#138
Iain Duncan Smith: we've given up trying to cut benefits
Iain Duncan Smith has admitted that he is no longer seeking to cut Britain's
benefits bill and is simply "managing" the increase in handouts.
Mr Duncan Smith's admission on the rising benefits bill is likely to
enflame tensions within the Cabinet
The Work and Pensions Secretary said that, unlike other European nations,
the "reality is that this country is not cutting welfare". He added that "all those on
benefits will still see cash increases in every year of this Parliament".
He was speaking ahead of the introduction of Universal Credit, which will begin to
be rolled out next week and which will initially involve spending more on out-of-work benefits.
Ministers have repeatedly boasted about how they have brought the welfare system
"under control" by rooting out dubious claims and cutting unemployment.
However, it is thought that although claimant numbers have fallen, those still in the
system have received generous increases, pushing the total bill up by billions of
pounds every year.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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#139
Should please you then Reg.
What he has been doing is cutting eligibility and the Brown vote buying handouts.
Watty
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#140
Bedroom tax is worthy of Stalin, says government's poverty tsar
Frank Field condemns change to housing benefit as 'flawed' and says scheme
will eventually prove to be more expensive
Frank Field: 'The government is introducing social and physical engineering on a
scale that Stalin would have been proud of.'
The government's poverty tsar, Frank Field, has condemned the "bedroom tax" as
a form of social engineering that would have made Joseph Stalin proud.
On the eve of the introduction of the change, in which housing benefit will be cut
for tenants in social housing with a spare room, the former welfare reform minister
predicted that the new system would eventually prove to be more expensive.
Field told the Guardian: "Housing officers are having to go round and tell people and
they are in tears. These people have not wanted to be in what the government
now defines as the 'wrong' house for them to be in.
"The government is introducing social and physical engineering on a scale that Stalin
would have been proud of. The way they are doing it is so extraordinary."
