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I think this business man needs to rethink his business plan, I think he never facture in the fact that he would need to pay wages to attract quality workers.
But I do whish him well in his venture, he has gained a lot of good publicity for his business.
Alexander your right about house prices you can build a modern house for £65000.
The profiteering by developers is a scandal; if you won't people to work for £6.19 PH they need affordable accommodation
Keith Sansum1
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wonder if the benefits system will be sorted
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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of course it will never be sorted keith, governments need scapegoats.
if we had full employment with everyone on a living wage and paying taxes who could they pick on when things went wrong?
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howard
sadly you are probaby correct
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Some decades ago, they showed on British TV how a group of builders, about 5 of them, built a bungalow in 9 hours, with all the brickwork and roofing in place.
House prices are one of the worst scams in British economy, and of-course minimum wage workers can't afford a house or even the rent. It's one of the reasons why many are forced into unemployment, because they give up!
Many realise they will never keep up with the cost of living, and that some essential prices, such as accommodation, are way out of touch with their salary. So they can only fall back on benefits.
A minimum wage isn't so bad if you live with your mum and dad and decide you can't afford to get married and have children in a house of your own. But then one might as well sign on.
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I think the biggest problem for this or any government is getting the balance right between austerity and growth and it seems that the balance is not yet right - not sure it ever will be.
It will always err on the side of caution for the well-off and the heaviest weight will be borne by the poorer members of society.
This is making me sound like a socialist, but I am not, nor ever will be, but there does seem to be a common thread through Government thinking that the rich, the entrepreneurs etc. must be looked after, because they are the wealth creators.
If/when Spain declares itself bankrupt, the EU and the Eurozone countries won't be able to cope.
With 24.6% adult unemployment and almost 50% unemployment amongst the young there, it probably won't be long.
Many EU countries make their money in different ways - tourism for most of southern europe and manufactuing in the Northern areas; various sizes and different needs, but all on the same constraints and "one size fits all" simply doesn't work.
It will be the downfall of the EU and there'll be nothing to leave - just massive debts for everyone.
Roger
I agree with you about when Spains economy collapses. But what will be more worrying is when France goes the same way.
It is only a matter of time
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Sarah - you are right about France I'm sure. Maybe a few months after the Socialists get back in is when the brown sticky stuff will hit the fan.
Roger
Morning Roger ,
Personally I dont think its a matter of who gets back in, rather like the British economy before the last election , the collapse is inevitable its just a matter of when it happens .
I would take a strong bet that dispite the hustings and the retoric most parties are praying that they dont win .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROGER;
You were doing so well posting like a true socialist, admitting that the cobbled together govt looks after the rich.
Then you went and spolt it lol.
with regard to benefits sadly your brother has found out that the system for some of the lower paid in society is hitting them hard, whilst the rich get richer.
Something that many posters have been saying for a long time.
It often takes a personal experience of the system for you to recognise there is an unfairness.
Howard probably hit the nail on the head when he said it's unlikely to be sorted by this govt.
we probably need a complete new scheme one that is fair, but also firm.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Plan ``A`` has been in tatters for over a year due to the many,many `U` turns.
Credibility of economic recovery under this administration is beyond hope.They have shouldered the general public with the
task whilst piling cuts and unemployment on them and looked after the wealthy.
There are now a mountain of problems due to an administration that was never in touch with the people and growing further
apart day by day.
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REG;
Whilst this govt has not got a good record on the benefits system all govts have not to grips with it sadly.
It's always the poorer in society that get hit when things go wrong.
The unfairness comes as ROGER admits, when e see a system thats not working and poorer in our society are encouraged to leave empoyment and join the 3 million.
whilst the rich continue in a fantastic lifestyle
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it surprised me at the last election that dave and friends wanted to win so badly whilst the reds clearly did not as evidenced by their refusal to agree a coalition with the third party.
it was a poison chalice and will be again next time around.
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HOWARD;
You have answered your own question.
labour was right not to go into a coolition which would have had to have about 7 different parties involved many with views far to right wing and extreme
it would never have worked just like the tories are finding now.
i was one of the few people in labour circles saying it will do them no good i hope the labour party just sits back and not go into a coolition
thankfully they didnt and cleggy sold his soull thus todays fiasco
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Roger.
You mentioned "balance" and that to me is the key to getting things back on the right tracks.
Back in the 70s/80s, the balance was out of quilter with the unions having too much power, I am not going to follow that with any political point scoring, for whatever reason, it was a fact.
Today the balance is out of quilter again but the other way round and again this is not about point scoring.
The idea that we are all in this together IS a good one but we will never achieve this unless the two main parties grow some manhood and start working together, instead of this" tit for tat, I'm alright Jack, nonsense" politics, that has been going on for far too long now.
The truth is that we need successful, not greedy, business and a workforce, on a decent living wage, with our needy, not greedy, others, being looked after properly. (In its simplistic view)
I believe there are a few Politicians from both sides that could make this happen but there are far more Politicians that need to be replaced because they are not in office to help this country, they are in it for themselves and they will never see or be concerned about us , All being in this together.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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garyc there are a number of points i agree with you.
its fair to say the days of the unions being to powerful is correct
and today that has swung the other way as you say.
until or unless we get this right it will keep bubling under the surface
and more and more will be affected sadly like rogers brother
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Gary C your post makes so much sense , Bern has also made this point several times , on this and other threads . We are entering totally uncharted social and economic waters , The same old same old and tit for tat nonsense just wont work
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sarah;
i'm sorry my viewpoints(that are much the same as bern's and garyc) don't hit with you.
but fairness is and has always been my starting point in life in so many ways
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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The trouble is Sarah, millions of people don't want to be bothered about politics or how some people are making £million's.
They just want a job, with a fair weekly wage, so they can afford their sky, fags, beer and a week in Spain.
Why some people keep banging on their chests, wailing look at me, you could be like me, with some aspirations, is total nonsense because they don't want to have aspirations to be like them.
They are happy just being themselves, they just want to be treated fairly and that is not happening now.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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your so right gary c
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