Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Theirs been a lot of media coverage of EU workers taking jobs, I think this may be a counterbalance to this up would political push, probably EU financed
Lazy British workers wont work, Or I may be totally wrong
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
I generally seek my news from other sources than the main media outlets as they are clearly controlled by both big business and government/establishment interests
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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This whole case is an utter scam from A to Z.
Firstly, the idea that you can earn £100 a week and still get full benefits is tosh.
You cannot earn the equivalent to JSA and still receive JSA.
Jobseekers allowance is now £70 a week, so I heard. So if you earned at least £70 a week, you would automatically sign off and would not receive a penny of JSA.
If you earn less that the full JSA (£70 a week), then your weekly jobseekers allowance is reduced, and you could get, say, £40 or £45 a week, depending how much you are earning.
Barry, I have noticed in the past too that your knowledge on JSA and benefits in general is wanting. You are NOT an expert in this matter, and should refrain from unseemly comments on things you quite clearly do not understand.
This also includes the unhappy definition of "living the life of Riley" on benefits.
It is only possible to live the life of Riley on housing benefits if you live in London, where housing benefits are calculated on local rent, and declare you live in a room by yourself, receive hundreds of pounds a week housing benefit, but then share your room with someone else who does the same thing.
Then you can pocket £100 or so every week on housing benefit, as NO-ONE goes and controls. Those who give out the welfare cheques take every Tom, Dick and Singh by their word.
Boris the Morris who wants to be reelected Mayor of London probably is responsible for our Country losing many billions a year on housing benefit scams. That is the area where you should be directing your investigations. Where people live 20 to three rooms, all on housing benefit, or in the garden shed, while receiving hundreds of pounds a week housing benefit.
As for JSA, NO-ONE can live the life of Riley on that.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Some of you may remember me writing about my younger brother on minimum wage and not being able to get any kind of benefit to supplement his meagre income ?
Well, he did start to receive some working tax credits and a small amount of housing benefit; this left him enough to go out once a week - just the once, either a Friday or Saturday evening.
Last week he had a letter from the WTC people and Shepway Housing department and they both have cut his benefits down to bare minimum - he is now £250 worse off a month.
How can the Government say you will not be worse off working, than being on benefits ?
I'm a Conservative through and through - and so is (was) my brother, but he won't vote Conservative again, as they are simply cutting the low-paid down to begging level.
There is simply no understanding, of what it's like being on the bones of your arse.
I have written to Ian Duncan-Smith and Grayling on his behalf (officially) and all I get back is tripe, absolute tripe, from their respective departments. They are either too stupid to work or understand, or are being this way on purpose.
Labour got us into this mess, but this Government is definitely not helping the (genuine) low paid at all.
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
roger,a fact of life us minions know about but goverment turns a blind eye to,in fact its called real life,and not dream world the goverment likes to think it is.
i am sorry to hear your brother is having a hard time.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Telesales?
"Claire McKendree-Wright from Tunbridge Wells was persuaded by ALI brokers to put her life savings into two parcels of land in Newbury and a further two in Harrogate..."
What was the name of the Icelandic bank that went belly-up?
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16217763Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
- Posts: 1,116
These things are everywhere Tom.
I got an email a while back, with a link offering the prospect of buying a tree in Leicestershire for £20!!!
Probably another scam associated with someone that has never done a proper days work in their life!
Roger, I am sorry your brother is having such a hard time. And you are right - it matters little whether the the team is blue or red if they all ignore the realities of life at the sharp end.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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mmmm Just catching up on this but do not have enough time to go through everything but I will make a couple of points.
Alex - read the newspaper article, the significance of the £100 is there, my wording was poor on that.
Was this just a publicity stunt? - no.
I had my usual Friday morning breakfast meeting in Canterbury Friday with 40 plus other businesses half of which are Canterbury based. Some know this chap and confirmed that he is genuinely angry at what happened.
Roger - I too am sorry that your brother has continuing problems. No comfort and certainly no immediate help to him, but an economic recovery will be the best hope for him and others like him who want to work and to earn decent money. It is a long struggle to get there though.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Roger.
I too am sorry to hear of your brother's plight; I know what he is going through, as do so many many more people, with many more joining us by the day.
Please don't take offence to this, it is not personal but it is about time that people start to realise and see the true picture of just how hard it is for those, that are not scroungers, not lazy layabouts but genuine people who deserve better.
All.
Some people are blind to the facts or simply do not want to see them. The truth is that the majority of people on benefits simply don't want to be on benefits, most would be over the moon to work and earn a decent living and would gladly do without any benefits what so-ever.
I am sick and tired of keep reading and saying on this forum, that we all agree there is aspects of the benefits system that needs addressing. So why does these few, keep being brought up in threads, as an example, when it should be the majority of people, like Roger's brother, that should be the main focus on what needs to be done?
This is not me whinging about my lot, my wife is disabled and I am her carer and I am happy to be there for her and to look after her but I am fed up of being tapped on the head and being told "there there" all will be ok in a few years.
This lot are fooling no-one, we are being taken for a ride and it is not going to continue much longer without repercussions.
BarryW.
Nicely avoided yet again.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Roger, so sorry to hear about your brother he must be totally demoralised with his situation.
I am sure part of the problem is that the vast majority of MPs from ALL parties and their advisers have never been dependent on benefits, or come from a benefit family, so they have no idea what it is like to struggle to live. One or two might have been on one of those life swap TV shows for a couple of weeks but those shows do not give any idea how hard it is to survive on so little money long term.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
there lies the problem, the ones at the top now would consider themselves hard up if they had to sell a grouse moor, so little likelihood of them empathising with someone on a decent wage let alone people on benefits.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank you for your comments.
You are right Gary - my brother doesn't want to be on benefits, he'd much rather be able to earn a bit more and cope on his own, but circumstances at the moment seem to prevent that.
The thing that is upsetting/frustrating him, is the fact that the agreed WTC have been reduced by more than two thirds, with no reason or explanation and the same with his housing-benefit.
Working 6 days a week just to (almost) make ends meet, isn't really good enough.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
read many stories similar to roger's brother, makes the mantra about it paying to work rather than lie in bed until noon sound rather hollow.
the minimum wage is not enough to live on so the working tax credit bit made all the difference.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have said it before Howard - the minimum wage helps hold down wages by creating a norm while WTC also has an impact on that.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 30.agree.
Very sorry for your brother Rodger and the many others in the same situation it devastates families.
Also agree with Gary that people should not label all these people as good for nothing,smokers,drinkers,having wide TV`s,
Sky,smart phones etc,etc.
`Mess`...is all over Europe,ask Spain.....or did Gordon do it all?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, "an economic recovery will be the best hope ..."
Especially since the Cabinet let fly a few months ago the promise, published on the News, that we will be suffering until 2026, before things start getting better.
Roger, you wrote about the Conservative party. When they made their statement about 13 years of gloom, I realised then that we have silly parties, that the People will not fall for these parties again, because they take pleasure in making us suffer for no reason.
There is no conventional way in the present system that would allow even for a budget free of deficit, let alone a reduction of the sovereign debt, and that applies to Britain as much as to any other indebted European country.
The whole economy is based on speculation and debt, both private and public, and this is particularly the case of the UK, and so we have house prices many times the value of a house, top-salary earners giving themselves bonuses 3-4 times higher than their salary, people who have each horded hundreds of millions or even billions of pounds in private assets, and digital printing of money by the Bank of England to artificially keep the dead system on impulsive reactions, to the sole benefit of the speculators.
George Osborne's policies would be a sad joke if it wasn't for the despair they inflict on the masses. So it's not a joke, but something very serious.
My personal belief is that we will have a constitutional Government, not a political one, in order for our Economy to prosper. Politics in the UK today are speculation-based, but in a debt-ridden economy, already ruined through speculation, this can only lead to one thing for the economy to remain on impulse-status: BoE QE digital printing of money.
In reality, the present economic system is dead!
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
wow some wide ranging views;
lets start to reply;
ROGER;
OF course like the other 3 million unemployed(soon to be 4 million) and the lower paid, life is a struggle to make end meet, and like all these people its sad your brother has also been caught up in it.
but its a conservative govt which decided to attack those on benefits, made it quite clear before doing so, that was there aim.
ALEXANDER;
Whilst i share most of your view,we will always have a govt made upmainly of the 2 big parties; thats a reality check
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You mean Gloom and Doom, Keith
I prefer Itchy and Scratchy..........
