Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - do grow up and I think you will know exactly to what I am referring.
Ross - 'farm support' as you describe in the US is just a subsidy by another name. You are so right, that the CAP at present is not as such a subsidy to keep food prices down as Alexander would have us believe and much of it keeps prices high. Originally of course it was about protecting inefficient French farmers though that is not so much the case now.
You are right that food security has always been an issue as well and, of course, the supermarkets are problematical but to be fair they are to a large extent responding to public demand whether we like it or not. Planning is, you are right, another issue - we have the Whitfield issue locally.... Population growth will certainly present a massive problem for the future placing more pressure on farmland along with the migration from the cities and to the south east in particular. These are real challenges that we face.
There are also countryside conservation issues involved as farmers and landowners are also custodians of their land for future generations. I would have no farm subsidies at all for food production but where a farmer or landowner is devoting parcels of land, including hedgerows, to wildlife conservation, they are providing a service to the nation and deserve to be paid for that service. I do not consider that to be a subsidy as such, but a genuine payment for a service they are providing. There are aspects of CAP now that covers this and that silly initial post by GaryC actually refers to some legitimate payments to landowners for this kind of thing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ross, there are interesting points in your well researched post. However, if a law were to implement protectionism of local produce over imported produce, which I'd fully support, Barry would be up in arms surely?
Any kind of common sense proposal to maximise local farm produce (world-wide as well as nationally) would require some form of protectionist law, but then we're back to base 1, accusing the State of "getting involved in the economy" no matter how beneficial it may be.
You are also right about the absurd quota laws and the fines they impose, and the desposing of crops that are beyond these quotas.
Farm subsidies should be redefined through common sense initiatives, and if faded out, only gradually and in a way that farmers can work (and give work to local seasonal workers), and at the same time enjoy a fair income for their efforts.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
I do know what you are referring to and it was not a childish remark or a snide remark.
You believe that everything you post is factual and everyone else should take note and believe it.
That is your right as a person.
I don't believe half of what you post, most of which is only personal opinion and certainly not fact.
That is my right as a person.
Belittling people on the forum, is just another of your narcissistic traits.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - A big word for you, narcissistic.... I see that you have certainly broken your new years resolution already...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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come on chaps getting a bit personal.
research shows that it puts people off joining in the relevant threads.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
On the contrary, I could have reacted with much more zeal to your remarks below.
GaryC - A big word for you, narcissistic
GaryC - do grow up.
Howard.
I agree, but I have the right to reply at being called childish and accused of being un-intelligent.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Jan Higgins
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Howard
Gary, for your restraint
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Ross Miller
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Why dont we stick to facts and quote sources for them then much of the "yah - boo" rhetoric might go
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