Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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11 November 2010
10:2979603BarryW.
You do yourself no justice at all by trying to belittle anyone who does not share you views.
If you speak to potential employees like you talk to people you think are beneath you on here, then it is no surprise you go through so many applicants.
One minute it is Labours fault then it's the Libems, come on, at least have a bit of backbone and gumption to admit these are the cuts you have been waiting so long to implement.
Of course labour made mistakes, Tony Blair being the biggest one, his politics were more closer to the Tories than to Labours.
I am not embarrassed, Labour lost the election because they made mistakes but you should be embarrassed, the Tories were not elected into government, so you were not the peoples choice either.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
11 November 2010
10:3179604Here's a small selection of the slogans:-
Even Margaret Thatcher was a Research Chemist
I'm having Heart Attack — Quick call a Banker!!!
Science - It beats living in a cave!
Banking doesn't cure disease
Up and Atom!
Science: More useful than a duck island.
Science: Because alchemy's a myth
We need a fair share of the pi!
Fair funding. It's not rocket science.
No more Dr Nice Guy!
Do you guys not want jetpacks or something?
My other coat is a lab coat!
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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11 November 2010
10:5879606The last 30 years of government has made a total mess of tertiary education, all political parties of all colours must share the blame for that.
Whilst I admire and support the students in their peaceful protest and the wit they have shown, we need to recognise that we have a created ludicrous aspiration that 50% of all 18 year olds will go to University. Sadly many of these students take courses that have little or no real value in the world outside university (no I am not talking about sciences or law or economics or architecture or engineering etc.). Too many graduates present applications for jobs that are poorly presented, full of spelling and grammar errors and so on. They too often have been lead to believe that they cannot fail and that they are some form of elite and consequently come across as arrogant at interview. Many seem to lack the ability to create a cogent argument on the hoof, or even structure an answer to straightforward questions and seem genuinely surprised when rejected.
Tertiary education needs to be radically overhauled with Universities being reduced significantly in numbers and truly catering to the best and brightest of our 18 year olds. We need to bring back Polytechnics or Technical Schools offering degrees in subjects that are of real use to business (Accounting, Economics, Engineering of all flavours, plus Professional Qualifications) as well as the old style Art Schools offering degrees in Art, Design and Fashion. We also need to strengthen Colleges of Further education to deliver quality job related HND/OND/C&G/NVQ courses for those who wish to continue education but do not or cannot get to University.
Our current system sadly betrays too many who get to university and abandons most of those who do not.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 November 2010
11:2179607GaryC - so you find it belittling to have inacuracies in what you present as facts being corrected. Differing views are one thing, getting your facts wrong is another.
It was the LibDems who did the u-turn on this subject, not the Conservatives - fact not a viewpoint.
Correcting your incorrect interpretation of what I said, the fact of that is in front of everyone who reads it.
I could correct another factual inaccuracy in your last post but wont bother and spare you further belittling.
Differing viewpoints are one thing and I love discussing informed opinion and would hate it if there were not different views. Misrepresenting what someone says and getting facts wrong is another matter. Instead of coming all hissy and precious it would have been far better to just acknowledge that you got some facts wrong, we all do sometimes, even me.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 November 2010
11:2279608Ross - I am with you there and totally agree.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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11 November 2010
13:1979626BarryW.
You know full well that I was referring to the use of the word worthless in your Uni thread and you know I was referring to all u turns made since the election. Being pedantic (yes I do know the meaning) is just another sign of your arrogance. My opinion and I am entitled to it.
You have not belittled me Barry, I actually said "belittle anyone" but that's just me being pedantic.
I have said many times its great to have different view points and I have no problem with taking facts from you and all other forumites. You however do have a problem with accepting facts from certain people and it's not me having a hissy fit, oops sorry you didn't say fit did you.
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Keith Sansum1
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11 November 2010
13:2379628Garyc
It is a great shame that barryw goes the route he has, like yourself I like to ;listen to others, and give my own opinion.
The forum is that much richer in content because of it.
(and others) please continue postings your doing a grand job
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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11 November 2010
14:3479635i see the metropolitan police are coming under the cosh now(no pun intended), rightly so.
they have photographers at every demonstration,protest etc, these are studied afterwards to pinpoint the infiltrators there to cause mayhem.
they really should have spotted the usual suspects by the time the violence started.
11 November 2010
15:1879637Bern,
What about the education and knowledge of those who do not aspire to go to university??
Surely it cannot be right that the countries resources are spent exclusively on higher education at the expense of others who for what ever reason are unavailed of such bounty.
As for your statement that this is not about "Students" then pray tell me what it is about?? It is certainly not about my grandson who will not be going to university, nor will he be given a job,because there are no jobs. Nor will he be given money to maintain himself.
Perhaps in your quiet moments you would be good enough to tell me where my unemployed grandson can go for ten per cent of this, and that, as "Students" get at banks clothing shops. You think of it and you can be sure students will get it at a discount some where. This is a perk that is denied to my grandson why?? because he is unemployed through no fault of his own.
The way I see it students as a whole do not live in the real world. We as tax payers do not owe them any sort of debt. I have had to pay my way through life, without any grants what so ever so why should it be given to them for free
P.S.
I am not considering going to university, there are far to many idiots there already!!
11 November 2010
15:2379638I must make some comment on the caring and altruistic attitude of the students on the march since they were protesting about changes which will not affect their time at university (they come in 2012).
Special mention should be made to the contingent who got the coach down from the University of Glasgow who being in Jocksville do not get charged tuition fees!
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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11 November 2010
19:2079680They have just shown the scenes of yesterday again on sky news, it seems a shame that students like Briony and her fellow students can not demonstrate peacefully without those causeing trouble.
I feel sure Nick Clegg wants to eat his words, that will teach him to make promises he couldnt keep, after all many students voted for him.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
19:3579687i was disappointed to hear a couple of student union leaders trying to justify the behaviour yesterday.
i feel sure that the vast majority would have been disgusted by the actions perpetrated mostly by non students.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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11 November 2010
20:1779696The N.U.S. leader clearly said he was disgusted wth the rent a mob, and those scenes were not supported by the N.U.S.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
20:2879702I saw him interviewed on Breakfast and he was not at all pleased about the rioting, the female student with him was not at all repentant.
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11 November 2010
20:5479716It would appear the leader of the students union should resign from the post he holds. If all he can do is go on tv and express his disapproval, well that is going to scare the pants out of those who took part in yesterdays debacle. These are supposed to be the future leaders of the nation. Surely it is not beyond the wit of so called intelligent people to find out who these wreckers are and if they are members of the NUS then ban them. I dont know any of them but I am sure I would recognise them if I were confronted with suspects.
I am referring to "News night" now with Jeremy Paxman.
He had a discussion with one of the NUS leaders?? who was not very forth coming when it came to apportioning blame over all the mayhem. This young lady informed us all that she was 37 years of age, I can say that because (I am in my 70s) what on earth is she doing at university aged 37?? I suppose she is the equivelant educated scrounger on benefits?? how else could she maintain such a long university career??
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
21:2879722jimmy
the head of the students union would have had no control over a "bunch of herberts looking for a punch up", who were not students.
yes i agree that some students representatives appeared to condone the behaviour, i would guess that they were politically motivated and were largely self appointed.
what still bothers me is how useless the police were in defending london's citizens, the aggro was well advertised on facebook.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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11 November 2010
21:3479724Howards right jimmy, The NUS leader did condemn the riots
theres not much more he could do.
As Howard says the even was well publcised, and should have been dealt with better.
The chef of police admitted they need to learn from it.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
21:4779726Why should the NUS leader resign, what was he supposed to do stand at the front and try to stop that mob of idiots all by himself.
At the back of my suspicious mind I could not help but wonder if this lack of policing was a tactical move by the police as a way of showing their displeasure with the cuts. If this is not the case then someone's head should roll because there was bound to be trouble of some kind given all the publicity about the rally.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
21:5579728oooh that is an interesting one jan, thought you were against all the political shenanigans.
your post is not beyond the realms of possibility though, wish i had thought of that.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
22:2579732Not against them Howard, just hate all the petty bickering, point scoring and repetition.
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