10 November 2010
18:2979490As we all may of seen today the nus went to London to demomonstrate against education funding cuts some of my friends attended as they have just been offered places at uni but now are worrying about the cost. My opinion is this over turn by the combo goverment will put a lot of people off trying to better themselfs . What does everyone think?
Jan Higgins
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10 November 2010
18:3579491I hope your friends were not among the hard core of troublemakers that have created so much damage and injuries that I have just witnessed on 5 News. What idiots they are it will do their cause no good at all.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 November 2010
18:3979492i think you will find that the students were infiltrated by rent a mob, usually the case.
miners, print workers, climate change camapaigners et al will testify to their existence.
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10 November 2010
18:4379494You refer to 'better yourselves'. I do not interpret going to Uni as necessarily bettering yourself. Far too many go to Uni these days only to get low grade worthless degrees educating them no better than A level graduates of my generation.
We need more tradesmen not media studies graduates.
Me, I left school at 15 and did not sit O levels (as we had then) or GCEs (as we also had). In the past I have interviewed Uni graduates for jobs and frequently passed them over for those who have had a far better education in life and been nowhere near a uni. Some of the most unemployable twerps have been graduates.
I am very pleased to say that neither of my sons decided to go to Uni.
Seeing on some video this afternoon those NUS fools rioting I can only think they should be kicked out of their unis to get a life and a job though, yes - no doubt rent a mob will be among them, bogus students.
10 November 2010
18:5479496As part of the blessed generation who had free University education I have been horrified at the debt that my four children have built up under the present system at University (each of them owing more than I paid for my first house in 1975).
Frankly there is no way that almost 50% of the population are capable of an academic further education and the idea of students paying a small fortune to study for a B.A. in Frog Juggling at the University of 'We Weren't even a Polytechnic' is an absolute con.
I trust that your friends are planning to study a real subject at a real University, in which case 'if you think the price of education is high, look at the price of ignorance' otherwise might I suggest that they seek gainful employment rather than wasting three years of their lives getting into debt and getting the sort of education that most could get in a half decent public library.
10 November 2010
18:5779497Barry i dont agree with your comment and actually believe thats a narrow minded view its todays world getting a job is hard then its not for life , yet the goverment believe making silly cuts will solve it all yet dont remember its them same students who voted the tits in believing the tripe they talk, do you agree on a single mum or even a married mum going through an access course to get to uni to study nursing or midwifery to be lumbered with 9 grand plus worth of debt its well documented we need more nurses and midwives in the nhs or shall we all stick with dead end jobs being paid crap wages? WOULD YOU DO THE SAME.
10 November 2010
19:0079498Well i hope one day you dont need an a&e nurse or a partner who needs a midwife then
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 November 2010
19:0279499some interesting points raised by mel, barry and bob.
i heard a protestor being interviewed earlier, he was ranting on about how the yellows had reneged on their promises, the interviewer then asked if he had voted for them.
long pause then "i didn't vote myself", struck me as funny, i don't think he was a student, just saw the potential for a punch up.
Keith Sansum1
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10 November 2010
19:2379500well here we go again, Many of these students are loking to better themselves and the passion today shows the true feelng.
The Lib dems know they have sold there soul to get into number 10 (well near it)
The lib dems on so many issues have sold out
Many people didnt share the 2 main parties views on many issues and turned to the lib dems as a protest vote
As howard says AND AS AN ACTIVE EX TRADE UNIONIST I KNOW of the rent a mob who turn out to all these demonstrations
but the lib dems and this cobbled together lot can take this stAND will lose out, these students wont forget who sold them out
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 November 2010
19:2979501'Silly cuts' eh Mel - well the silliness was in the last government going on an unsupportable and unsustainable spending spree in the first place. It has to be put right or we will all be up the creek without a paddle....(to phrase it politely!!)
I am not saying we dont need students, I am saying there are far too many of them and too many worthless degrees. It is because A levels have been so devalued that more are being sent to Uni and even then employers despair at the poor educational standards of graduates. Trying to find a graduate who can spell and write a proper business letter is a real challenge.
Better they pay for their own education than for plumbers, electricians, carpenters and others having to pay for it through the taxes they pay.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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10 November 2010
19:4479503The Lib Dems wll be the big losers
(of course this could be the tories plan!!!!!)
Media now homing in on clegg who made the pledge not to increase fees using the media to oppose them
The students wont forgive or forget the lib dems
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10 November 2010
19:5679505A prime example of worthless degrees is Forensic Science.
The number of courses offering this is now 285 (up from two in 1990).
The government-owned Forensic Science Service currently finds 1,300 scientists sufficient for its crime-solving needs.
The UK's largest private provider, LGC Forensics, employs 500 people.
In 2008 alone, 1,667 students embarked on forensic science degree courses.
In order to ensure there are enough jobs to go round, more than half of them will have to retrain as serial killers.
10 November 2010
20:0079506Still will put off people to get a gd education via uni.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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10 November 2010
20:0379508And at the risk of a £40,000 debt
Watch the news tonight
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 November 2010
20:0679509Bob
If you are so anti University education why did you allow and presumably sponsor your 4 children through Uni?
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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10 November 2010
20:0779510MAREK
A VOICE OF REASON AT LAST
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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10 November 2010
20:1079511Didn't go to uni myself but did ONC and HNC then an OU degree in my own time and at mainly my own cost with a small grant to cover part of the fees. But I did work in a uni for 35 years and saw tremendous changes.
The ability and commitment of students coming in has gone down dramatically, about a third of students doing our bioscience degrees had to take remedial maths courses and I even had one who couldn't divide by 10. Many students now think that their commitment is purely the financial one of paying the fees to effectively buy the degree without the effort from themselves, and such is the pressure on unis and departments to get high in the league tables that there is a reluctance to fail a student.
The worst change was Tony Blair's idea that 50% of young people should go to university when 50% of jobs don't need degrees. A lot of qualifications that were better taken part-time when doing and learning a job are now full-time degree courses and totally inappropriate for the learning methods at universities and the needs of the future job.
10 November 2010
20:1079512Marek, as I said 'I trust that your friends are planning to study a real subject at a real University, in which case 'if you think the price of education is high, look at the price of ignorance'.'
Basically the kids ticked all the boxes i.e. both course and institution.
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10 November 2010
20:1779514Bob
My sons at Uni and is on his way to the US next year to teach at a Uni over there....I told him to study a real subject..
and get a proper job
Marek
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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10 November 2010
20:2079515I didn't read a few of the above while writing my last and Bob's comment on Forensic Science. Most of those courses can be blamed on Cracker and other TV programs that caused an expansion about 10 years ago in a drive for student numbers.
My own department went that way in offering a Forensic Biology degree which was little more than a Biochemistry degree with a bit of law. Now they have stopped offering that and recommend a pure Biochemistry degree and leave the legal bits to the employers. Same thing's happening in Chemistry and Physics departments, the purer sciences are making a comeback so graduates are less limited in their job opportunities.