howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Strikes; the Opium-distillate of the people.
If only...
"Stability looms."
I often try to end on a high note.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It won't be an easy time for PM Flashman.
He's never shown the Country a light at the end of the tunnel.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Their are two sides to the Public Sector Pensions situation.
Chief executive,Directors and Management in Gold Cuff Links Pensions which enable them to Retire early and live off the fat of the land.
The Staff have a future of mediocre pensions which they now ( due to the` We are all in this together cuts!!!! ) have to work longer for and also pay more to achieve.
Is this the way to run a Dance Hall?
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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REG;
The problem we have on here at the moment is convincing a couple of posters that we are all in it together.
apart from those you suggest,
plus the chief exec of councils across the country
and officers of councils getting up to £100 grand a year
plus others earning(shuld i say getting) over 100 grand
plus chief execs of many private companies
plus the police chiefs and those others in the force earnng up to 100 grand plus.
and the fire brigade chiefs also earning more than 100m grand
its not one of envy, but one of fairness
how can it be all together when for some the have no idea where the next meal is coming from, or some elderly wondering should they put the fire on, or have a meal.
theres a real world out there if you look for it
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Jan Higgins
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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too true jan, they will give all the fighting talk egging on their members who will face hardship on strike.
won't suffer themselves though.
Brian Dixon
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alex,the light at the end of the tunnel you mention,its been turned of permantly due to the goverment cuts.[ps,you cant get 60 watt bulbs any more]
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Well thats a typical Daily Mail feature to try and deflect the issue onto something else, away from the governments handling of the crises. Sure some people get higher salaries at the top of their fields but thats life. The higher up the scale you go in all walks of life the more you get. But its not the issue.
Here's a pic of top trade union man Brendan Barber
What we have here is very moderate people from all walks of rank and file life getting shafted out of their pensions. They work for many years at lower pay in all mainstream services knowing that they will get a solid pension, but now with HMG moving the goalposts they are left frustrated and angry.
The Tories wheel out Frances Maude every time, and he spouts the same thing..that these workers get a better pension than everyone else. Thats a spin, thats half the story. The pensions may be better but they have put in the years in difficult jobs on lower than mainstream pay. The pension is their compensation for a long life of public service.
Frances Maude is not a good exponent of Public Relations. Am baffled as to why Cameron puts him forth. He is not one to smooth things over, he comes across as a ruffler of feathers while having all the hallmarks of the silver spoon in the gob brigade, and seems to forever misunderstand the worries of the working people he is dealing with.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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So how much are the following worth in terms of reward packages?
The General Secretary of a TU representing 1.5m working people?
The Chief Exec of a County Council delivering services to 1.5m people?
The Chief Police Officer for a force of 52,000 employees providing policing to a population of over 8.5m people?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The trouble is, we give 50 million pounds a day to the EU.
That's 1.5 billion pounds a month.
It's like demanding a pound of flesh. It's got to come from somewhere, such as cuts in child care, pensions, childrens' allowance, Police, whatever Camers can think of.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a strike can on'y be successful if it gets some support from the general public, at present public sector workers are deemed to have better pensions than those in the priate sector.
any industrial action would not help their cause, even ed b*lls and red ed have seen this as playing into the the cobbled together coalitions hands.
the leaders should know better.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Yes indeed Howard, but where does that leave us?
I am reminded of the story of the defeat of Antaeus (his fight with Hercules)
This is the lesson we must learn...
http://www.theoi.com/Gigante/GiganteAntaios.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Public sector pensions my be better though, according to Lord Hutton, the average is somewhere between £5,000 and £8,000, but this is because they are so poor or non existent in the private sector.
As Barry might say it all looks like spite and envy!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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a winter of discontent is looming.
unless this goverment dose a u-turn and go's to plan b as soon as.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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It annoys me that the public sector think they should be treated differently to everybody else.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Jan, surely the division is an ancient one. I cannot remember a time when the public and private sectors were not played off, one against the other. There is nothing new in the arguments and counter arguments around at the moment.
I heard Robot Killjoy Slik complain today that his pension has been reduced by 20%, so it's not all bad news.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Ah!!!! what a shame so long as he can stay retired we will be OK.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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jan;l
believe me i dont leave anyone out.
i spent 29 years in my union(RMT)often fighting the leadership not only on issues like you raise, but also on some crancky ideas
that said, we cant realy look at chief exes and high earning peoples pensions andpay off's as well
every day we hear of a high earner getting a few million pay off
whilst the rest of struggle to make ends meet
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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unfortunately the gap between them and us gets ever wider, whether in private industry or the unions.
no wonder people get so cynical.
