Keith Sansum1
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yes the subject relates to strikes, which is an important factor in this thread
having never crossed a picket line in fact been on loads
it does become more difficult to take advice from someone who doesn't share these values
merely a point of view
nothing to do with my being a cllr
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Mr Frohike or whoever is right about the rules of the forum applying to everybody and point 4 in post 15 has been raised by him or her. Not sure how that reconciles with post 18.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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good point howard
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Guest 1935- Registered: 2 Dec 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Mr Frohike or whoever is right about the rules of the forum applying to everybody and point 4 in post 15 has been raised by him or her. Not sure how that reconciles with post 18.
I would hardly put the word hogwash in reply to a post in the same category as the very personal attack on Mr Matcham. And on based on hearsay.
Hogwash is an alternative to nonsense and only slightly stronger.
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:yes the subject relates to strikes, which is an important factor in this thread
having never crossed a picket line in fact been on loads
it does become more difficult to take advice from someone who doesn't share these values
merely a point of view
nothing to do with my being a cllr
More nonsense to try and justify the unacceptable.
There is no need to make accusations based on gossip about someones past that has no relevance to the current situation.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Let me say this,,,,,,,,,
I'v made my point as an active trade unionist all my life, anyway I'm unwilling to get dragged into a non event by some unknown person(I actually share other posters views that we should know who we are talking to unless work doesn't allow.)
so I will keep on to the thread itself
lets keep the guards
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Post 13 not only is it not true but I am now 74 and still in union as a life member ,if he has soming to say then say it and i then will know what he is talking about and will act on what he puts,but I think his post should be taken off it has nothing to do with what is being said,I would like to thank other members for their support over this.I was in the railway union for all the years I was on the railway, and at one point a officer of that union then I was in the boilermakers union which was for welders.I still hold my card up to date as a life member of the union that all boilermakes end up in when they cut back on unions. As I have already said a work to rule is better then striking. Thank you.I am for keeping a two man crew if not more on trains,but striking is only going to cost the lost of public support.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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This is another Union day, where like the miners of the day, attempts are now being made to take on other strong unions that are getting in the way of govts.
The RMT has been a thorn in the side
what govts have shown of all political backgrounds are there anti trade union legislation
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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post 28 list of unions I have been in the union from the age of 15 AEU then the NUR from that the BOILERMAKERS ending up now in the UNITE UNION LOOKING AT THE CARD IN MY HAND .the only time in my life I went passed a pick it line was many years ago and I had a letter from the union to go ahead because it was a safety work as a welder on a ship I do not think I got paid for it . But to keep the ship ready to sail when the crew went back to work the job had to be done.I have worked in most of the ship yards in the UK and need a union card to do it. Can post 28 tell us what union he is in now or ever been in.? But you still have not told us about the time I worked with men out yet,it is a lie and he knows it.I have nothing to keep from the members.The train crews should go back to work but work to rule and that way will keep support from the public coming in and also bring them in a wage over Christmas and the new year. The way they are doing it now they will still have to return to work with out a wage coming in the boss,s know that with bills coming in and rent etc the crews will have to go back ,and the boss,s if they hold out will win.
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STILL WAITING MATE.
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And still waiting
I am sorry to all members about what I have wrote but I just had to write it.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I think the British workman should have the right to strike, and I think they should be allowed to use whatever legal means necessary to make their point. I think Mr. Matcham makes a valid point about the idea of a work to rule which can be nearly as effective as an all out strike whilst keeping the general public on the side of the unions.
After Mad Bat Thatcher pulled the unions' teeth, I'm pleased to see that there is a bit of militancy left in at least one of our trade unions.
I have disagreed with Mr. Matcham many times in the past, but I have never resorted to nastiness during our discussions. I think that passing on unsubstansiated gossip is a very low trick indeed. Just off to see what the neighbours think...
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you for saying that and I am still waiting for the views of that person who said it.Also I will take the matter up with the council as he is a member of it.
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Still waiting
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Post 33which Council do you refer to It is Christmas and no need to be so sensitive.
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Post 33 and no need to be so sensitive.
Mr Matcham has every right to be sensitive.
For those of us that come from working class families with strong union backgrounds the insult by Cllr Sansum (of DTC) to Mr Matcham is no small thing.
Cllr Sansum effectively labelled Mr Matcham a SCAB, which not that many years ago would have seen someone hounded from the local community.
Cllr Sansum did this knowing, with his extensive trade union experience that he boasts of in this thread, the level of personal insult he was making (whether gossip or not).
This was a calculated comment irrelevant to the thread, despite Cllr Sansums claims, both malicious and spiteful.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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What on earth does Christmas have to do with it ?
Does xmas give you carte blanche to insult people, or does it mean you must accept insults and abuse from people. Never realised the birth of the imaginary saviour had any relationship with trade unions either.
Post #36 answers your comments about sensitivity better than I could.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Barrie and Melvin .In answer to your question.Christmas has everything to do with it .Why send cards and wear silly hats .The Christmas message is Peace on earth and goodwill to men. Why threaten to report some one .I recall the strikes in Dover the miners and seamans .It was not pleasant for a long time in the Council Chamber.A lot of Conservatives come from working class families.so nots play that card.
My husband worked for British Rail for thirty years.
So I still say someone is over sensitive.
Christmas is upon us and hopefully we can agree to differ but don't forget what it's all about.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Barrie and Melvin .In answer to your question.Christmas has everything to do with it .Why send cards and wear silly hats .The Christmas message is Peace on earth and goodwill to men. Why threaten to report some one .I recall the strikes in Dover the miners and seamans .It was not pleasant for a long time in the Council Chamber.A lot of Conservatives come from working class families.so nots play that card.
My husband worked for British Rail for thirty years.
So I still say someone is over sensitive.
Christmas is upon us and hopefully we can agree to differ but don't forget what it's all about.
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Post 38&39
In my post 15 I politely pointed out the rules, despite my anger at such a nasty and personal attack by Cllr Sansum.
It being Christmas doesn't change those rules.
It is for Cllr Sansum to apologise, which is only now necessary because he chose to try and justify breaking them.
If he doesn't I hope Chris will take action.
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