Keith Sansum1
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no howard iv heard it used by whites to abuse blacks
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The view I have on this is, one shouldn't say to others what one wouldn't like said to oneself.
If it is meant to be offensive, then it should not be said.
This is what I was taught.
The point on Tottenham Hotspurs is, many fans who use the term Yid (pronounced Yeed), do so because they are Jews and are happy to use this term in reference to themselves and do not mean it as being offensive to other Jews.
The word means: Jew, from Yiddish, regardless whether Yiddish is commonly spoken or otherwise.
My view is, the secretive society of black-robed lawyers, whom I have never encountered personally, are getting involved in something that goes beyond reasonable comprehension.
Ultimately, I find it wrong for the Met Police to threaten to arrest Jews for calling themselves Jews at a football match.
I've also come across accounts of men arriving in old-fashioned black cars, dressed in old-fashioned suits approaching a person and claiming to be working for "the Government".
By all accounts they are said to arrive "from nowhere", and to disappear so soon as they descend the staircase.
Who are these people?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have never heard it used that way since my schooldays keith, people stopped referring to nigger brown shoes about 30/40 years ago too.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I still have a pair, Howard.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
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Ref post 22
Obviously Alexander does not care about others feelings.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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For crying out loud, the jewish fans are taking offence at the NON JEWS using the word 'yid' as they find it offensive, and the lawyers are threatening to prosecute NON JEWS for using the word.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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bit of an urban myth about the jewish following at white hart lane, goes back to comments by sir alf garnett.
west ham, arsenal and the orient have a strong four by two support.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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I don't make a habit of defending Alexander, but here goes anyway.
Barrie Nicoll wrote:For crying out loud, the jewish fans are taking offence at the NON JEWS using the word 'yid' as they find it offensive, and the lawyers are threatening to prosecute NON JEWS for using the word.
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This is simply wrong. The issue is over Spurs fans (including Jewish fans) calling themselves "Yids", "Yiddos" or "Yid Army". They have done this years as a way of "taking ownership" of a term that would otherwise be used by fans of other clubs to cause offense. The logic is that the term "Yids" cannot be used to offend if you are using it to describe yourself. Similarly, it is common for fans of Dover Athletic's opponents to describe Dover fans as "French". Having heard this insult for many years, Dover fans have been come to embrace it, and have even been known to sing "La Marseillaise" in response. Opponents get bored when they realise it doesn't upset them.
(I should add, I'm not drawing a comparison between the nature of the insults directed at Spurs and Dover fans, merely comparing the manor of dealing with those insults.)
The issue with Spurs is whether it is right to arrest someone for describing
themselves in a term that others may find offensive. If it is, then surely the same applies to Hip Hop artists using the term "N****r", or homosexuals describing themselves as "queer". It's a difficult question.
One other thing to point out is that "The Society of Black Lawyers" is a group looking to make it's mark. Take the Mark Clattenburg incident as an example:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9677069/Society-of-Black-Lawyers-criticises-Chelsea-and-FA-after-police-investigation-into-Mark-Clattenburg-dropped.html
According to Peter Herbert of the Society of Black Lawyers, action should have been taken against Clattenburg, despite having no inside knowledge of the case. Clattenburg was subsequently cleared of all accusations, and the player involved punished. Put simply, Herbert got it very, very wrong.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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"Dover fans have been come to embrace it, and have even been known to sing "La Marseillaise" in response."
This version, perhaps?
Ou est le papier, ou est le papier;
Monsieur, monsieur, j'ai fait 'manure';
Ou est le papier!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Admittedly it may not be an accurate rendition.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Maybe it could be added that British Jews are generally belonging to one of two groups:
Ashkenazi, who historically speak Yiddish from around the 12th century, and moved here from Central and Eastern Europe;
and Sephardi, who traditionally speak a Portughese dialect, or any other Mediterranean language of Latin influence.
Many of these came from Portugal and Holland (where they had previously moved to from Portugal and Spain).
Benjamin Disraeli was a Sephardi Jew.
Sephardi Jews do not define themselves as Yeed (spelled Yid), as they are not of Yiddish linguistic background.
Perhaps the whole case is one of cultural differences between Jews.
Anyway, Yeed (written Yid) comes from the Hebrew name Yehuda. In German, Yehuda became Jude, which in Yiddish became Yeed (spelled Yid).
Jan and Keith are just doing political point-scoring when suggesting I'm indifferent to people's feelings.
I'm still trying to figure out who the "Society of black law-makers" are.
Don't all lawyers wear a black robe?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The lads in this link won't be famous at a Dover football match then, as they marched on Waterloo to join forces with General Wellington and his beleaguered troops:
Brian Dixon
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ok alex,but the uniforms are abuot 150 years out of date,walterloo soldiers had more up to date uniforms.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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looks like another post all about nothing
going round the world
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I am not doing "political point scoring" as you put it Alexander. I am just sensitive to some peoples feelings whereas you keep repeating the Y word on here that is offensive to some, it is the same as the other words we do not use on here because they would offend.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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jan
i must stop this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I agree with you again!!!! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan, I've made sure that the correct pronunciation of Yeed is given, there is nothing offensive in this.
No-one on here has claimed an abuse because of it.
This is all to do with a society trying to send Jews to prison, nothing more, nothing less.
They should not be allowed to getaway with this, whoever they are.
I'm one hundred percent sure this society is not Jewish.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, that piece of Prussian music was written in 1795.
General Field marshal Von Bloecher and his regiments were playing this tune as they appeared from the woods and marched on to Waterloo battlefield, just as Napoleon was preparing to send his regiments over in the final attack one hour before dusk, as he had done so many times and won.
The saying went, that if you hadn't defeated Napoleon by 4 o'clock, he would cross over the field with massed regiments and win. The Brits had 5 rounds left per man at that hour, and when the unknown regiments made their appearance from the wooded landscape, many thought it was the 30,000 French soldiers that had been sent out to pursue the Prussians two days earlier after a previous battle which Napoleon had won as the sun was setting.
The Brits believed they were surrounded and prepared to make a last stand, determined to fall with rifle and bayonet in one last counter onslaught.
But then they heard the march music, they realised the Prussians had come, that they had led Napoleon's other 30,000 soldiers astray and lost them in the fog and woods somewhere.
The roar of the cheers coming from the red-coated Brits was so great, it is said it was heard as far as Brussels, the Ardennes and Westminster in London.
