Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
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I know, I had the temerity to move to Dover from Hertfordshire, via Norfolk, for which I beg forgiveness. That was 28 years ago and for 19 of those years I worked in Dover but for some, ensconced in Ivory Towers elsewhere, that is not enough.
I am not alone. There are others, equally castigated, that have sought temporary reprieve from Dover by seeking accommodation in rooms far from our town boundary - some even making it as far as Deal.
So what makes one "Dovorian"? Is there a secret process one must undergo, or some secret sect that must be attended?
I await the consensus of opinion...
Warning: Some of this post has been written with tongue buried deep within cheek. Forgive me, for I am not of this town and do not know all of your ways...
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well, to be at least the fourth generation to have lived in the area of the Dover Town wards.... that makes me one, anyone else?
Keith Sansum1
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3 generations barryw
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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My family go back to the Nelson and before so I think that shows I am one.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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There's nothing wrong with Dover or its people, its the politicians at every level that have overseen its decline since the war.
The definition of a Dovorian is irrelevant, someone like Roger Walkden is an example of someone who's chucked himself into the town since moving here. I don't always agree with his ideas but you can't doubt his intentions.
I attended a DDC meeting last year, most were local people, most contribute nothing, they are simply in it for themselves.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Although the original question related to 2 things
barryw and I gave the first part of the answer
of course it then depends how you view the rest of pauls post,
on his view on the chair of council and her remarks on mr clear living outside the UK you could form many views
he has said he still has family living in Dover, and since his outburst (which h was then to find out it was actually the carninval organisers who could also have invited the chair of the council to the carnival but failed t do so)
you could also view that mr clear left Dover(as sue does) so should he be held in the same say as a Dovorian?
for me it makes no difference but obviously sue holds a slightly different opinion.
being a Dovorian is part of being part of the bigger set up, many have done a lot over the years in all walks of life
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Much the same as what makes you English welsh or Scottish
Your families defended the land we enjoy today
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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mine go's back to Cromwell,most of my distant relatives where round heads,all though there where some royalists amonst them.they where classed as black sheep of the famley.i hope that makes me a dovorian.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Generations of my family born and lived in Dover. My generation born in Dover but brought up in the villages. Dover remains my town though and would consider myself a Dovorian by birth and disposition.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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excellent post from david there, it is about attitude to dover not just how long someone has been here.
as with everywhere else there are people that are totally disinterested in their surroundings and just live in their own bubble.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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That's what I meant by being Dovorian by disposition
I have the good fortune to also be one by birth
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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neil
you wouldn't believe the questions i have been asked by life long dovorians since i moved down here.
where's the grand shaft? is my favourite but i know someone who thinks the boat in the museum is a viking one.
it took colette and barry from london to kick start the connaught park revival.
i know many who are unaware that we have a new sea front as they never venture that far.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Believe every word Howard - Dovorians by disposition alone often become very active local citizens. Many, many Dovorians are Dovorian by birth alone and not at all by disposition. I've been taken aback more than once on hearing a lifelong local exclaim - 'well I never even knew that was there' - when I've shown them the Roman Painted House. Amazing what people can miss.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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We moved to this area well over 40 years ago.
To me a Dovorian is simply someone who lives in the town, some of those born here have done sweet f.a. to improve the area and are even responsible for its present state so I think that where you were born is irrelevant.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:3 generations barryw
No Keith - at least 4 - I remember visiting my great-granddad who had land at the top of Chapel Hill, now flats.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Whether Dovorian by birth or disposition, we should all have an interest in the town and wider district. Yes, Dover has had a difficult time and, in my personal opinion, has been let down by governments of all colours. It's perhaps harsh to lay the blame at the door of local politicians who have had to deal with (1) the loss of traditional industries, e.g. Coal mining; (2) closure of two barracks; (3) opening of the Channel Tunnel; (4) Pfizer withdrawal, etc. It was only the latter that prompted any form of central government action with the creation of the enterprise zone. Prior to that, Dover had largely been ignored despite the strategic importance of the port to the national economy. We were "over looked" as being part of the prosperous south east.
But at the same time, people have to be open to change. There have been many missed opportunities due to "Dovorians" who have been resistant to new developments. The world is moving on, and Dover must move with it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Paul has opened a can of worms here. kevin refers to natural changes in demand and that outsiders see us as part of the well off south east.
dover has a reputation for being resistant to change, the controversial big screen was given the go ahead with the thought in mind that it would turn off potential investors if it was rejected.
we have seen the mcarthur glen development go to ashford and for a time the cgi development on a knife edge - dover has to welcome inward investment.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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How do you know you're a Dovorian?
If a Dovorian you wish to be
you must first embody
traits one, two and three...
First;
Be free with opinion
with no self control
maintain a focus on
more than one goal
Second;
Assert: That, whether inland or coast,
that nowhere else can possibly boast
of anything beautiful, no matter what
"They don't have nothing Dover's not got!"
Third;
(and this puts the cherry upon the cake)
Develop a demeanour nobody can fake
that: Yes there may be much to deplore
about the home-town you now do adore
Dover upon everyone is certain to grow
your a Dovorian, that's how you know!
I 'see' that you're all too dumbfounded to speak
please be assured that the above has tongue firmly in cheek.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well said kevin
are you watching david?????????????????????????????????????
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Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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First 'Tomololgy' offering I have truly understood and appreciated!
