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    Although the original question related to 2 things

    barryw and I gave the first part of the answer

    of course it then depends how you view the rest of pauls post,

    on his view on the chair of council and her remarks on mr clear living outside the UK you could form many views
    he has said he still has family living in Dover, and since his outburst (which h was then to find out it was actually the carninval organisers who could also have invited the chair of the council to the carnival but failed t do so)

    you could also view that mr clear left Dover(as sue does) so should he be held in the same say as a Dovorian?

    for me it makes no difference but obviously sue holds a slightly different opinion.

    being a Dovorian is part of being part of the bigger set up, many have done a lot over the years in all walks of life

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