Self Assessment...
- 24 February 2012 18:37155580Agreed Howard and some if they could pay below the minimum wage would, as some unscrupulous employers already do.
- 24 February 2012 19:00155586Dave1 - confidentiality prevents me from giving many examples, except one - me.
I left school (Astor Secondary) at age 15 and did a fair few low paid jobs, indeed even in one bad year self-employment in 1990 I earned less than the equivalent of someone on the min wage now.
If you have personal knowledge of any business breaking the law then report that business - I suspect your statement though is just that, empty talk.
Howard - you clearly lack an understanding of how the market works. The minimum wage provides a comfortable norm eliminating wage competition for low skill work. Create a norm and you lock people in. - 24 February 2012 19:30155597The hospitality industry is renowned for it Barry, I shall not say anymore other than I am not totally without experience.
Please do not accuse me of empty talking, I too had a profession which took me years of study, not a six month course.
Of course if you had read my post properly, I was requesting examples of jobs, not individuals. - 24 February 2012 19:34155598barry
you are just quoting propganda from the right, accusing me and others of not understanding how the market works is just simply insulting and shows a lack of reasoned argument. - Jan Higgins
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24 February 2012 19:38155601Howard
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 24 February 2012 20:38155619Howard - I merely reflect what comes across to me from what you write - perhaps is why your views are formed in the way they are and mine are formed differently.. Read what I have written, I have given plenty of reasoned argument on here have posted previously at more length and detail the damage simplistic left wing policies like the minimum wage do to the less well off.
After all - socialists have a vested interest in keeping people poor and dependent on the State to have a client vote. While some socialists are simply misguided, others I am sure deliberately set out to keep people as state dependent serfs. - Keith Sansum1
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24 February 2012 20:48155622well baz
thats 3 others also not happy with youALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 24 February 2012 20:53155625that last paragraph simply sums thinga up barry, simplistic dogma full of bile for those not of your persuasion.
sorry that is not acceptable as a thought out argument, if you doubt what i say ask anyone that was earning £.1. 50 an hour before the advent of the minimum wage.
there are still rogue employers taking advantage of free labour from various governmnent schemes, i know of 3 here in dover, one of which openly brags about how he is getting rich on it. - Keith Sansum1
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24 February 2012 20:56155631howard;
you dare to challenge baz??ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 24 February 2012 21:01155634stating facts as i know them keith, i am sure you are aware of some employers locally that abuse free labour.
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24 February 2012 21:02155635unfortunatly i do howardALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 25 February 2012 00:13155658Roger, the idea of £10 an hour as a minimum wage, save, let's say, for the first few weeks in a job when the employee is still learning the essentials, would be ideal.
As you propose, it would have something to do, directly or indirectly, with the State subsidising the employers. in return for them paying a minimum of £10 an hour.
This is also fine, but the Treasury would have to find a reserve of cash to finance this, and possibly some basic prices might rise, such as salads from Kent or boxes from the London factory in Dover etc.
That would be a fair price to pay considering that the minimum £10 wage would amply compensate this with a surplus for the British minimum wage earner.
However, the employers would have to employ us.....the locals.
In order for the State to get the initial cash to start the programme, there would have to be some form of confiscation of surplus wealth of the super rich, which are not people with two houses and £500,000 in the bank, but those with upwards of many, many millions worth of private assets and several mansions here and there and estates to boot and more of the same wherever they have horded it, and ever-increasing as they sponge up more millions each year (it's a mental madness really!).
After the initial kick-start, the economy would gradually regulate itself to the minimum £10 an hour wage, and the State's intervention in form of subsidies could gradually subside.
All we need do first is try to trick Barry onto a desert island for 3 months.
Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 February 2012 00:30155660Grand Cayman perhaps?
Alex, that's a recipe for millions of people earning £10 an hour and nobody able to pay them. There is a country that tried that in recent years. It's called Greece.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 25 February 2012 08:03155667The simplistic thinking Howard comes from the left in trying to tackle the problems they see through tax and spend. Every time they do it they not only fail in their objectives but also make things worse. Every single Labour government has left office after creating an economic calamity. The 'left' of course does not only mean Labour but all their fellow travellers too. The fact is the left are blind to the damage their policies do and frankly don't care, without keeping people poor and dependant up the state they will lose any reason for their being.
The Conservatives by contrast have an electoral vested interest in more and more people being self-reliant, independent and better off. I know what I prefer and what works best for people and it certainly is not being dependant on an all-powerful but bankrupt state.
Keith - one day maybe you will find the words to be able to defend your position rather than just stir things up. - Brian Dixon
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25 February 2012 16:13155755speak for ones self barry,you can stir it at times. - Jan Higgins
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25 February 2012 19:07155809I would never call Howard simplistic, didn't bother reading the rest of the post.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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25 February 2012 19:09155811brian;
you have grasped our barryw lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 25 February 2012 23:36155842Anyone can compare my posts with your Keith and make up their minds as to where there is substance and where there is only stirring...
- 26 February 2012 00:29155849Barry, you call us simplistic, perhaps that's what we are, Simple Simons, with our simple views.
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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26 February 2012 08:05155861barryw
like you say everyone has a say
and a view
and can make there own minds up
on whether or not some of your posts are tosh, or to personal
but hey nice to say hello last nightALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS