howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A lot of people are trying very hard to get jobs, so much so that even the most simple types of jobs are oversubscribed on a massive scale...as we see here in the link above. The companies are almost shocked as they get overwhelmed with applications, as years ago they got nothing like this level of applications for the simple reason that there were better quality jobs in abundance all through society.
However anyone who saw John Humphries, he of R4 Today fame, on BBCTV last night on his program about the Welfare State..will have seen the other side of the coin. Generations of people who wont work..their fathers, mothers didnt work, they dont work...basically they wont work. Often quoted are low wages. People wont work for the minimum wage because they get the same income on benefits. Whole swathes of communities are like that.
"Once there was a stigma about not having a job" said John, "but that stigma is gone now... people dont care".
There is much more to it but thats the nutshell version.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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saw that programme paul, nothing new in it - just confirmed about a hard core of idlers that are not representative of the populace at large.
i took more notice of the training scheme where youngsters volunteered to go on, not one of them came from a house where anyone worked.
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Last year we advertised a position at the jobcentre. We got 50+ applications. None of them met the job specification in terms of experience or qualifications, however five came close so we offered them interviews. Three failed to turn up at all, one was totally unsuitable and the other admitted that he only came to the interview because if he hadn't, his benefits would be at risk, and could I please reject him in writing so he had something to show the jobcentre to prove he had been trying to find work.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Sad to say it but I think Peters experience there about peeps doing it to maintain benefits is all too true. If you are not seen to be looking you can get in shhtuck benefitswise.
Although as you say there Howard some people on the TV programme were keen to better themselves, which was good to see. Although some at some of the courses or classes were not so believable. I didnt think for example all those single mums were really at that class as a career move, I just didnt buy it, more a benefits protector.
Back in the eighties and nineties when we recruited personnel, people then seemed keener to work. I dont know why, but I guess it was because the incentive was there. Wages were higher in relation to benefits. Somewhere between then and now the benefits level has got ever higher and now there is too close a proximity between pay and benefits. In other words..if you are at the lower end of the pay scale the incentive doesnt exist. Minimum wage and benefits are probably roughly the same. So in all honesty why would those at the lower end of the pay scale work. Its hard ..working. You have to get up..wash, endure the miseries of commuting etc and thats before you even start.
We need to find some system that encourages people to do it. NOT by reducing welfare though to soup kitchen levels but maybe by increasing wages, increasing apprenticeship availability, so that people see a light at the end of the early tunnel...in other words they see a road to increasing remuneration for the work they do over time.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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It was a good programme, but nothing on it surprised me about the attitude of many of the people who don't want to work... Obviously something drastic needs to be done, and quickly !!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the few unfortunately spoil things for the many genuine jobseekers.
a year or two when morrisons were looking for staff for their new store they held a recruitment drive at the centre spot clubhouse at crabble.
they were totally inundated for 3 days, they filled all the vacancies and had to tell the remaining 85% of applicants that they were unlucky.
Keith Sansum1
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it is without doubt looking grim,
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Perhaps if the minimum wage was £10.00 per hour that would make people want to work instead on stay on benefits.
The problem there is that businesses would go bust with their wage bill, unless of course businesses received benefits (from the Government) to pay for the higher wages they'd be paying.
It wouldn't cost the Government any more, because they'd be paying less to people as less people would be on benefits, but it would make an enormous difference to those working people and employment would rise and businesses too of course would benefit as more people will be working, more people will be paying taxes and still have disposable income to spend, so businesses start at last, to thrive, instead of just surviving.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You only have to read the Sun and other newpapers to see there are still 100s of jobs out there ,but most would mean working away or moving,they are not all skilled jobs but most are,this is how I got my job in Germany in the 1980s,no work in the UK so I went overseas,yes I did have afamily to look after and that is the only way to get any money to look after them.It did not have a happy ending but you do your best.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes good idea there Roger.
Jan Higgins
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Stop giving the long term WILL NOT work unemployed cash and only give them vouchers and tokens
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Quite right Jan.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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roger;
barryw won't be happy with you, your sounding a bit like a socialist lol
jan/barryw;
im going to sound like a tory here, but i would go one step further those able to work but cant be bothered reduce there benefits week on week until they do.
vouchers should only be able to be used on certain items
and not transferable!!!!!!!!!!!!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there lies the rub keith struggling shop keepers will exchange them for anything, happened before.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#9 Agree Roger, thats a very positive posting
I remember Nick Clegg suggesting a £10,000 wages threshold bar before tax deduction, pre-election I think, which would probably have the desired effect to counteract the benefit lifestyle.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank You Colette and Paul.
I doubt if it would be taken up, but it would help everyone and no extra cost to businesses - in fact it would greatly help them and increase government income through more income tax because more people will be working - unless I'm missing something.
Roger
DT1- Location: Dover
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It is that sort of idea that would really make people think and shake things up for the better.
Nice one Roger.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger's idea is a good one, but the laws on free trade would have to be altered, as the State could not simply finance the productive sector of the economy, as this would be interpreted as unfair competition towards companies operating in other countries.
But I am the first to point out that the EU applies unfair rules and regulations benefitting some countries and their industries to the disadvantage of others.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Don't they just Alexander.
Roger