Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes indeed Marek a big frontpage today with the LATEST statement just in from DHB on this new Port/HMG development yesterday.
..also the latest full statement from SouthEastern re the High Speed Train.
Many thanks for the info direct from both DHB and KCC ( HSTrain)
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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I find it hilarious that DHB appear to believe that their scheme ticks all the boxes on the government privatisation criteria. But then again they would do wouldn't they!
Never give up...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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which criteria though, the orginal one or latest one?
no doubt the government will find another reason in a months time to defer making a decision.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Both of course- but I guesss that the insinuation of this thread is as its title.
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Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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As one of the hundreds of individuals that were out sourced by Dr Bob,I believe it is of the up most importance that this is got right.The feeling at the time of our enforced departure from D.H.B. was that we were sacrificed to the expediency of an increased amount of share options to those in the higher positions.So I doubt very much if the well being of Dover will ever figure very highly in their collective considerations.
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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DHB's (peace be upon them) hijacking of the buzzwords 'community' and 'people' and such like in their increasingly desperate press missives is jaw-droppingly, eye-poppingly ('scuse the pun) disingenuous.
Multiplex cinema and bowling alley in Harbour House, anyone?
Forza Dubris. People's Port.
Keith Sansum1
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lets hope peoples port comes up to the mark
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Charlie Elphicke has added to the mix on the frontpage. New quote in today from our MP.
also
dont miss the earlier statement from Paul Watkins too.
Very grateful to all for their contributions.
ps: Frontpage posting box situation now fixed.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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The revised criteria announced by the DfT appear to contain nothing new in regard to the Port of Dover. As no other port has asked to be privatised, one imagines that the DfT are simply dotting the i's and crossing the t's on trust port privatisation documentation in preparation for flogging off the others one day. I detect a note of weary cynicism in the response from DHB which has stated that these requirements are all fulfilled in the original proposal it submitted light years ago and that it sees these revised criteria as reflecting the government's desire for similar schemes for "other" trust ports:
"The Board is confident that its innovative and ground-breaking privatisation scheme, which it proposed in 2010, will be seen to meet the Government's criteria in all respects. The Port authority also sees the revised criteria as a clear reflection of Government's desire for similar community-focused schemes to be brought forward by other trust ports."
DHB chairman Roger Mountford has added:
"With an emphasis on enduring community participation, which has remained an integral part of the Port's scheme through its Port of Dover Community Trust proposal, the Port considers the criteria to provide the missing piece of the jigsaw which now fully aligns Dover's vision for the future and Government policy on trust ports."
By this, he appears to be saying that DHB has included community participation in its proposal from the start and that the government has finally caught up by including this in its criteria and is now aligned with DHB's vision.
The government would therefore appear to have belatedly ticked all the boxes and finally managed to produce legislation to a standard which meets DHB's approval, given that the latter are well aware that they will have to grudgingly eventually accede to these requirements even if the government has been so unbelievably tardy and disorganised in managing to put them together.
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/sale-trust-ports-statement/sale-trust-ports-statement.pdfKeith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whilst no great supporter of the way DHB has handled itself over the years, and more so since the proposed sell off of OUR port
but that said the peoples port has a long to still answer for.
lets hope it all pans out for us all
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Actually the DHB proposal does not tick all the boxes. Their transfer scheme, while offering the community a financial bung (which is a 'may' under the new criteria) gives no community input into the strategic direction or governance of the port (a 'must' under the criteria).
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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I assume that the £20m worth of securities offered to the PDCT and the share ownership scheme for employees are considered to give them sufficient voice in the strategic direction or governance of the port. Some might say that such an input is quite adequate for inhabitants of the town and that the rest is best left to the professionals who know what they are doing.
One only has to read the numerous uninformed comments on this forum to realise the complete ignorance of the townsfolk in matters pertaining to the port, despite every effort to illuminate the issues. I imagine that DHB are well aware of this and would want to safeguard against enthusiastic amateurs playing more than a minor role in shaping the future direction of the port.
I have no idea whether the government is sufficiently competent to appreciate this or not. Previous privatisations, such as the Railtrack disaster, do not inspire confidence.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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That £20m gives no representation on the future port board for a community representative. While we would all accept that the day to day management of the port is best left to the professionals, the government want to ensure that the community have a voice at a strategic level. While I agree that most townsfolk have not an inkling about how the port works, it must also be said that hitherto, DHB management have not appeared to understand the port's relationship with the town and have therefore pursued strategies which have benefited the port but damaged the town.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Peter the Town should have cashed in during the golden years of the Ferry trade, thousands earning good money, Ferries full of daytrippers for many years, should have done something then not continually complaining now.
Audere est facere.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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martin
theres a lot of truth in what you say.
of course we have to remember peter has an interest in the people port proposal
nothing wrong with that but should be remembered.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have an interest in the People's Port simply by being a Dovorian sick of the endless downwards spiral of our local economy.
As I have said before - we need something big and dramatic to break that spiral and this is it. In fact it is the only game in town - the DHB proposals do not match up and the status quo will just carry on draining the life from the town.
So Martin - making a statement such as you have in #54 is easy. So what exactly do you mean? put some meat on what is otherwise a rather bland and meaningless comment.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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presuming the peoples port wins (and that is still in doubt) we all have to hope they get it right.
if they dont i hate to think what will happen
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith I do not have a financial interest in the outcome, other than the time and money I have spent helping to bring the project as far as it has come. And of course I am one of the many thousands of people who will benefit if we manage to make Dover a better place. So are you.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Barry thank you for pointing out the shortcomings of my post.
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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he is good like that martin, there is no need for gratitude.
i always look forward to barry telling me where i am going wrong.
