Guest 766- Registered: 7 Aug 2012
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Can I make people aware of an up coming event at pencester gardens. On September 8th there will be a "fete" to show the strength of feeling for a stop to Dover harbour boards plans to privatise our port. This will be supported by all parties, unions etc. There will be stalls and live music. This all starts at 10:30 till 13:00. Please come along and show your support for stopping DHB's plans. There will also be guest speakers. Now is the time to stop the privatisation and keep the port forever England.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks for that gary, do you know who is organising it and who the guest speakers are likely to be?
Ross Miller
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Believe Neil Wiggins is organising speakers likely to include Elphick, Cruddas & Clair Hawkins
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Do not be taken in Mr Wiggins and Mr Elphick,and rest. The format is not not the same as the D.H.B. but the end resort is the same the sell of our great great port and the history that goes with it. If you go along to this so called meeting DO NOT BE TAKEN IN with what they will say,even more to not part with any cash to help them. As I have said for years at all the meetings that have allowed me to talk,the only safe way for the port to say in the UK hands is by the Royal Charter. Yes if the need be it can be updated but the port will stay with us as a Royal Port put in our trust ,the public of Dover by the Royal family of the day. NOT TO SELL OFF but keep it, as I said "It is not the D,H,B, Or Mr Wiggins Right to sell or buy the port,It belongs to us and it must
not be sold off.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But Vic. The Port was taken away from the people of Dover in 1606. Neil wants to buy it and give it back to the people of Dover so it will always be English and take away any risks of being sold in the future.
The People's Port is the only guarantee that it will stay in our hands.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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tHAT IS Rubbish THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK.And also rubbish is,"That the port was taken away from the local public in 1606. Read your history about the port of Dover, that can be done on your own PC at home.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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"The final royal charter, instituted by King James I in October 1606, switched the running of the harbour from the Dover community to "eleven discreet men", headed by the Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports. Despite many changes this was the forerunner of the independent Dover Harbour Board."
Therefore, although the Port was given a Royal Charter, it was taken away from the Dover Community and given to Dover Harbour Board.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I think Roger is right, Vic.
In the days of the Cinque Ports, Dovorians enjoyed privileges, such as with regards to tax, and could levy port tolls on ships coming and going.
In return, Dover maintained at local expense a standing Fleet, and so too did all the other Cinque Port members, including the smaller associated ports.
When DHB came about in 1606, all the revenues from the Port went to DHB, and in return DHB kept the Port open for shipping. They could - and can - only invest their profits in the Port, for its maintenance.
This decision was taken (in 1606) because shingle and drift-sand kept silting up the harbour, so DHB had the duty to build jetties and piers that would keep the harbour free, and the port profits were destined for this sole purpose, as well as general Port maintenance.
The Town, of-course, lost out on any Port revenues.
This is why my representation is important, because it brings us closer to the pre-1606 situation, when Dover received Port revenues for the Town and surrounding Garden.
Meanwhile, DHB should continue receiving their current Port revenues too, and the two distinct forms of revenue proposed (one for the Port and the other for Town/District/County) should remain distinct and separate.
The same should apply to all British commercial ports.
The DfT informed me last month that my representation has been received and is relevant, so I see no reason to attend the Pencester Gardens rally.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In sorry but I was right the head of the UK then was the King so all the public and land was under his rule. please tell me with I am wrong,only to happy to be put right.Thank you.
Keith Sansum1
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Whilst i have used the opportunity to oppose the privatisation sale, unlike the politicians i don't wish this to be dragged into a political football by the blues/reds
its to important for that.
if the conservative govt stops the privatisation(and thats not a certainty at this time) then we have an opportunity as to whats next.
There still are issues around the so called peoples port and how much influence
local people will realy have against funders.
so whilst we are probably all united on the first step, and hopefully that will be achieved we then need to find common ground for the next step which i feel will be much much harder to achieve
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Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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One step at a time Keith.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do not think I can get back in time, but if I do then I will be there, and get up and have my say,even if they try to stop me.SMILEY:
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi All. This is not a DPPT sponsored event. DPPT subscribe to this event and, as one of the largest community membership organisations in Dover District, have, in cooperation with local Labour Party, Local Conservatives, UNITE the Union and Dover Town Council, been closely involved with the organisation of it. I've personally put a bit of time into organising some of the background stuff. This event is designed to allow everyone who is opposed to the DHB plans a chance to gather and show their opposition and to allow other community based groups and young musicians an opportunity to show case their work free of charge at what I hope will be a well attended event. So Vic, no one is trying to fool you, no one is trying to make anyone believe something that is not true, I am sure that you will have an opportunity to demonstrate your opposition to the DHB's plans.
As far as DPPT goes, the membership own the organisation, the membership are all those in the local community who wish to become members and are over 18 years of age. The membership will have 100% control of the organisation and, through the board of directors, will have 100% of the influence over the future strategic development of the port. The funders neither want or will have any influence whatsoever so long as the port meets its financial commitments, just the same as your mortgage company will not be telling you what plants to plant in your garden, or what colour carpets you have in your house, or what furniture, or wall colours, etc. I've already explained this self same issue several times on several different threads.
I and many, many others want the port to be owned in perpetuity by the people of Dover and Dover District. Its future placed directly into the hands of ordinary people and removed forever from the influence and whims of national politicians and port executives both sets of whom have shown beyond a shadow of doubt that they cannot be trusted with the future of our port, that they will not live up to their obligations to hand the port on to the next generation even, let alone hand it over to the next generation in the same or better condition than when they took it over from the last generation. I believe that the DPPT model is a way of achieving the main objective whilst allowing the port the freedom to raise the capital that it requires to invest in future growth and development.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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john h
well think your right at this time only the first step can be considered at this time
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The Town Team will be at the Jamboree publicising the forthcoming weekly market
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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do you have many stall holders lined up david and will it still be in the same place?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Howard, the first market will be Tuesday Nov 6th, we have very positive interest from existing stallholders and traders, we now need to publicise that you can hire a stall and sell your wares.
Yes, it will be held in the Market Square, hopefully in time it will stretch up the High Street to the Town Hall.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a leaflet came through my door a few minutes ago promoting the event in pencester on saturday.
there was a picture of what can only be described as a chav, with the heading "what will you do to protect my future?".
had a quiet chortle to myself.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes the picture was a funny one howard
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Good luck Neil. I will not be able to pop in to see you as I am in Maidstone Saturday. I hope it goes well for you.