howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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i have seen this report,ms abbott has qouted that the tweet was taken out of contex.havent we heard that somwhere before.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am sure the phrase, "divide and rule." or something very similar has popped-up from my own keyboard more than once in relation to how this county's politics pan out historically and at present. I am also sure that had I wished to insult I could have taken-up a recent buzz word, Tribalism, and wondered openly about where that is most prevalent.
But no.
Politics here is more about class in it's us-and-them rhetoric.
Plus, as this lady is my MP, where am I to put myself. Do I have any representation in Parliament with this individual?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 1............it has no place anywhere.
Her words and intention are unambiguous. There is no context for them to be taken out of: it is Twitter, her words were clear. I cannot imagine the same excuse being even considered if the accusation was culturally the other way around, as recent events on Facebook as discussed on this forum might attest.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I am frankly not bothered by her words at all, it is blatent rubbish that we should not worry about. The only thing that strikes me is what would the reaction be if a white person said it about blacks, as Bern alludes to. In either case it is not anything to get hot and bothered about. Far too many people get too het up over such trivia. Sticks and stones...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not the first time he has made racist comments, the most famous was her rant over "blonde haired blue eyed "finnish nurses.
looks like she has got off the hook again.
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Ive heard her several times in the past making similar remarks on TV. She makes them in cosy dinner party conversational style, so she just about gets away with it or got away with it. So Im glad she has been pulled up this time. According to reports Ed Miliband has forced her into an apology because as we see now she has backtracked from her earlier rubbish about it all being 'out of context'.
It is important that she was checked back this time. If a white MP had made this remark about black people we would be having a sacking. So it is important that a level playing field is maintained for all colours.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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don't thinl that being checked is enough paul, the whip should have been withdrawn.
it was hardly a slip of the tongue and her previous comments about black mothers being better she has never withdrawn.
ed had a chance of lookin like a leader handed to him on a plate and he couldn't see it.
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I couldn't agree more.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 8.......last para...at all levels of politics including county and district.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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when a shadow minister makes such comments they carry weight much more than at council or any other level.
a thug from the english defence or a radical islamist makes a racist statement and we are either disgusted or amused at the stupidity, when someone at the top makes one it has credence.
that is why she should go.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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She has got away with too much so far and this is one too many, she should go now
Keith Sansum1
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sorry but there is no room for these type of comments from ms abbott
nor should there have been any time in our local district council
but we didnt see the same outcry.
if one should go they both should if we are consistent
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I think your'll find her position is very safe for now. Let's face it Ed Miller band needs all the friends he can get.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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philip;
look at things from a wider angle rather than an anti labour angle
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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.....and which wider angle do you suggest I look from?
Anyway I thought labour were disbanded after the last election.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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post 16 answers your question philip
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
you have answered your own question in post 15.
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A couple of years ago Trevor Phillips, the head of the Commission for Racial Equality, said that Britain was BY FAR the most comfortable country in Europe to live in if you were not white. That is because white British people are mostly far more tolerant, liberal (small L) and broad-minded than our continental counterparts. Or at least we were, until the New Puritan culture of political correctness took hold. Now the zealots are everywhere, poring over people's tweets and Facebook posts looking for evidence of racist Crimethink. What happened to that traditional tolerance?
And another thing. I lived in the American Deep South during the 1960s, visited South Africa for several weeks during apartheid and spent nearly 20 years working in and travelling to the Middle East. Those experiences taught me what true racism is. It's our black cleaner being thrown off a bus in Louisiana because there was no space for a couple of white rednecks and having to walk six miles home because there wasn't another bus. It's black people in Johannesburg being beaten by police for sitting on a park bench for whites only. It's Asian workers with Arab royal families being held in conditions of slavery. It's Saudi border police beating Egyptians at passport control just for being.....Egyptian.
I've always seen Diane Abbott as a fairly sensible political figure and always enjoyed her debates with Michael Portaloo on This Week. She has her faults, who doesnt, but if you think she is racist, you really don't have a clue what the word means.
Rant over.
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