Keith Sansum1
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27 September 2010
19:4972761#1
First we saw the Lib Dems, now Labour, and im sure the tory one will be the same.
All stage managed, cor I miss them days when radical delegates got on the rostrum and now and again raised there voice. lol
It is not for the better either, but I suppose that's how it is and each year will go more of the same.
oh well thats modern politics i suppose
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 September 2010
21:0372765#2
i understand what you are saying keith but in the "good old days" we had people making a speech purely to get on the telly or in the newspapers.
i have never been to a conference but from what i have been told they are dominated by two factions.
a) those that love fringe meetings and feeling subversive.
b) those that love a good drink up followed by an unromantic liaison later that night.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 September 2010
21:2772767#3
howard;
I'm sure they all wanted to get on TV it helped to get there message across, its true the beer can get in the way
but fringe meetings are good.
You could see how people were passionate at the rostrum.
There are few personalities these days, and its getting worse
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 September 2010
21:5272776#4
times have changed keith, i remember sad john major trying to recreate the soap box.
tony blair showed how it is done in the modern world(one on one with the camera) aimed straight at the couch potato.
david cameron learnt that lesson and was exactly the same at the last hustings, hence he is now prime minister.
maybe the next time our victor will use his infinite charm to woo himself into downing street?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 September 2010
21:5972778#5
The party conferences have no flair any more.
personalities few and far between.
The derek hatton's(im no fan of) but certainly livened up a conference.
hestltine, ashdown, foot, thatcher,skinner,T Benn, TEBBITT, prescott
I didn't agree with it, but hestltines speech on the loony left was funny with him marching up and down the stage was funny
Kinnocks speech on the militant party showed passion
just a few of many
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 September 2010
22:1972779#6
agree with you on the kinnock speech keith, the best i have ever heard, he turned the reds from a protest group into a serious political force.
not so sure of the rest though, they mainly
went for the safe ground playing to the prejudices of their particular audience.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 September 2010
22:3172780#7
HOWARD;
Don't agree with you fully, conferences these days are all much the same, serve little purpose.
Kinnock realy did take it on, but you have remember this was after a very long time of the militant party who still refuse to admit they were a party within a party, kinnock was brave to take it on.
When I joined the party my local branch was outnumbered by members of the militant party.
At that time 25 or more years ago they were well organised, but totally undemocratic.
I found it very frustrating in my early years, and I did wonder what I had joined.
Thankfully those dreary days have long gone
And yes, kinnock helped to make that come about
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 September 2010
23:0572781#8
I think we have to move with times.It's either that or spend years in opposition. We live in a media frenzy times and the days of the great Labour oratory speeches from the likes of Foot,Tony Benn etc have long since been confined to the history books together with crisp,clean and concise English that was so BBC ,MacMillan , Eden et al.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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28 September 2010
07:2672789#9
I enjoy the Conservative conference but it seems to me to play a very different role to the Labour and LD ones.
Labour and LDs seem all too ernest at their conferences which play a major consititutional role for them. No doubt though they have a few beers as well.
For me and the vast majority of Conservatives they are just great get-togethers, lots of alcohol and fun. A chance to mix with the great and good and be on the spot where the news is being played out. The fringe meetings are best, they often provide a free lunch and a tincture or two while the Conference itself is primarily a backdrop to a social gathering.
The socialising itself is an important role also whilst socialising it does also represent a means to communicate ideas.
As for 'unromantic liasons' Howard - that certainly applied at Young Conservative conferences in the old days but a bit less so at the main Party Conference. Mind you, most of the Party Conferences I have been to I was accompanied by my wife!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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28 September 2010
08:1272798#10
BAZ;
Labour/and im sure no different lib dems no different
But the conference itself all the same.
If you were to be watching with no political outlook you wouldn't know which party they were apart from a speech now and again which may wake you up.
MAREK;
I do understand moving with the times, so what your saying is we run conferences now by the media and what they say.
STAGE MANAGED little to grasp to get you motivated.
Suppose this is the modern way forward.
But will it re engage people into politics
I don't think so
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 September 2010
09:2472809#11
keef
exactly the opposite members of the public don't want some raving TUC member ranting like a Russian President going through the menopause.They want reasoned rational arguments put over with commitment and passion.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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28 September 2010
09:4472810#12
MAREK;
I understand where your coming from, but theres little real PASSION as you call it.
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