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    i understand what you are saying keith but in the "good old days" we had people making a speech purely to get on the telly or in the newspapers.

    i have never been to a conference but from what i have been told they are dominated by two factions.

    a) those that love fringe meetings and feeling subversive.

    b) those that love a good drink up followed by an unromantic liaison later that night.

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