Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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In the Sunday Telegraph Andrew Gilligan has revealed that Ken Livingstone has used a loophole to avoid £50,000 of tax.
Companies House figures: earnings of £232,000 in 2009 went through a company, Silveta Ltd, a company with two shareholders, Livingstone and his wife. As a result he paid corporation tax at 20% or 21%, instead of 40% income tax.
It is legal, legitimate and fair enough. He has done nothing wrong in doing that. No doubt the money was extracted tax efficiently from the business as well in a number of perfectly legal ways open to him.
But this is Ken Livingstone and he is as bad or even worse than Reg in his class hatred and class warfare rhetoric. One thing I have found he said about people who do what he did was "These rich b------- just don't get it... No one should be allowed to vote in a British election, let alone sit in Parliament, unless they pay their full share of tax."
Hypocrite.
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Ken, as a New Labour-ite (and as such is a mere closet Tory) is, thereby, in no way a "hypocrite". Just one of you kind of 'realist' Barry. You should welcome him with open arms.
You may gloat and/or sneer, but as with all Blue-bloods [wannabes and true-blues] the fact that the stuff itself is red is neither here nor there.
The really hard bit for you though is that he is now Brer Ken.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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LOL - I have heard it all now Tom.... Red Ken a closet Tory, you will be saying that Father Christmas is real next....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think that tom is alluding to the view of most people that there is very little difference between the major parties nowadays.
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Quite right Howard.
Barry let this cat out of the bag and his efforts, by doubling the amount of emoticons, and his 'lol' fool nobody. If any here were foolhardy enough to read anything Ken has to say about the race for mayor they would be surprised by the number of mentions Boris gets.
The much talked about in-fighting at Ken-HQ closely resembles the shenanigans of that other party machine that boasts so of their semi close-knit yet independent spirit.
In Flan O'Brian's Third Policeman much sport is made of said policeman and his bicycle. What with all the hard riding it is supposed that the molecules of the one swap places with the molecules of the other. More acutely, we have the various body-swap films. Where two fight over one prize only for each to become the other.
Life following art?
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Keith Sansum1
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the whole system whether it be labour/tory/lib dem or who ever
all in this together we are supposed to be
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - there is a country mile between the Parties..... Just because Labour turned away from the idiotic corporate socialism with its Union power and nationalisation to the merely bonkers alternative of beaurocratic socialism does not mean they are anything like the Conservatives. You clearly believe the Blair spin.
Brian Dixon
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barryw,is that as the crow flys or a country bumkins mile.
ps [not refering to my self in the last part].
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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much as i am intellectually challenged barry, my street wise way tells me when flannel is floating about.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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thats floatsome howard.
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Barry there is a big difference between what the parties say, but little difference between what they can achieve in the short term, because of vested interests getting in the way of everything they try to do.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter;
at this momen in time i tend to agree with you
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The key differences are in values and values are what is lasting.
Those values inform policy and how to achieve various objectives.
There is a massive difference between parties and it is a lazy shorthand to say there are no differences used simply because Labour came partially to its senses over its misbegotten industrial strategies and replaced them with a more beaurocratic, red tape driven approach. Their policies, despite some politically convenient rhetoric is all about collectivism, government power and intervention. The Conservatives are about enabling people to stand of their feet and smaller government.
Ross Miller
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Really Barry
Seriously New Labour ceased to be about collectivism when Blair tore up Clause 4 and they lurched to the right to occupy "the middle ground", yes they are in practice centralising, but so is the Conservative Party when in Government the two just use different rhetoric to justify it. The Conservatives bang on about freedom, enabling, trickle down and whole load of other bull, when in fact the reality is nearly always the opposite. In practical terms I find little or no difference between them, or for that matter the Lib-Dems.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Barryw, even you have to admit that the values for all parties shift with the tide. Take a cool look at them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the blues are as power crazed as the reds, we see the "top down" approach from eric pickles, andrew lansley, michael gove, david cameron et al.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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agreed howard
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Totally wrong Howard, in fact you could not be more wrong you need only to look at how power is being shifted away from the centre in many ways, schools (free schools), local government (localism) etc. The ironic thing is that is the centrally controlled society we have it requires top-down reform to shift power away from the centre. More must be done, this is just the start of a process.
Bern, likewise. What shifts with the tide are policies. The values that inform policies are constant, look at the history of the Conservative Party - I recommend Lord (Robert) Blake's great work. Even the two traditions that make up the Conservative Party, the Tories of Disraeli and the Conservatives of Peel have common values.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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having seen gove take power away from head teachers, pickles telling councils what to do and the rest trying to bump up the price of alcohol your argument does not hold mineral water barry.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - you clearly should look in detail at what Gove is actually doing in full, likewise Pickles.