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    Really Barry

    Seriously New Labour ceased to be about collectivism when Blair tore up Clause 4 and they lurched to the right to occupy "the middle ground", yes they are in practice centralising, but so is the Conservative Party when in Government the two just use different rhetoric to justify it. The Conservatives bang on about freedom, enabling, trickle down and whole load of other bull, when in fact the reality is nearly always the opposite. In practical terms I find little or no difference between them, or for that matter the Lib-Dems.

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