Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#41
it seems that the daily star is to be invetegated as well know.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#42
According to a opinion pole 75% of those asked thought Rebekah Brooks should resign or be sacked.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#43
needs sorting out
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#44
once the national press is sorted out, we will leave it to you to deal with the "dover express" keith.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#45
Reports are being received from all over the country that tonights fish and chip suppers are refusing to be wrapped in old editions of the disgraced newspaper. Mr Charlie Cod said he wouldn't be seen dead in the news of the world.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#46
Hello All
I am unable to answer my mobile phone right now but if you leave me a message the News of the World will email me later.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#47
excellent gary.
#48
In defence of Hugh Grant (for some reason, not sure why I would bother) he did give the politicos a bit of a drubbing, and to be honest, a bloke having a bit of gastro-fun with a paid participant has no bearing on this at all! They are different moralities about different issues.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#49
i suppose that in this case hugh grant struck a blow rather than received one.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#50
A row began when award-winning columnist Moran joked on her Twitter page that if Hugh Grant didn't call her in 10 minutes she would "get his number off someone at NOTW".
Aformer NOTW editor said she was insensitive about those about to lose their jobs.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#51
An undercover News of the World reporter came to my house disguised as a plumber.
I reckon he put a tap on my phone.
sickjokes website
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
#52
You guys make me laugh!!
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
- Posts: 1,037
#53
Paul McMullan of the Castle Inn has just taken a right pasting from Steve Coogan and Greg Dyke on the Newsnight programme. It got quite heated and he was called "morally bankrupt" amongst other things and the presenter, Emily Maitlis, called him "a tortured soul". I think he will be glad to get back to the Castle and start pulling pints.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#54
terrible debate though alec, just everyone trying to outshout the other, steve coogan is clearly highly articulate but obnoxious at the same time.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#55
another aspect of the story showing the possible fall out for our free press.
The date 7/7 will always be known first for a terrorist atrocity. But now it marks another death, less widely mourned, but one that will have long-term consequences for this country's politics. For 168 years, from the Victorian music halls, through Orwell, to 1990s soap stars, the News of the World has been talked about, sometimes jokingly, often disapprovingly, often fearfully, as a cornerstone of Britain. Until yesterday, it was still the biggest-selling English-language newspaper on earth. No one need fear it any more.
After ruining the lives of a thousand spanking scoutmasters, it has itself been terminated as ruthlessly as any Mr Nookie MP. It dies as the holder of the current British Press Awards trophy for scoop of the year; but in the end its own story, bigger than any it ever broke itself, overcame it. The News of the World, in its own inimitable phrase, has made its excuses and left.
In so doing, the paper's owners, News International, may hope to stem the political and commercial disaster that threatened to overtake them. The paper's demise certainly marks the end of a particular tabloid era and culture. But it may only have succeeded in triggering an earthquake that now threatens the entire British press.
For be in no doubt: hateful as the behaviour of some journalists has been, we may now face something even worse. For many in power, or previously in power, the News of the World's crimes are a God-given opening to diminish one of the greatest checks on that power: the media.
Earlier this week, as The Daily Telegraph prepared its horrific revelation that the News of the World may have hacked families of the Iraq war dead, Alastair Campbell - who was involved in the falsehoods, older readers may remember, that helped send those soldiers to their deaths - appeared on Newsnight, the excitement visible beneath his expression of grave condemnation and concern.
"The truth has been dragged kicking and screaming [from News International]," he said. "This is a tipping-point." Alastair Campbell talking about the truth? But the terrible thing is that this time, he's right. And that is the depth of the mess that we believers in press freedom now find ourselves in. Mr Campbell went on: "It's not just about phone hacking... it's about what sort of press we have. The public now see the press serves our country and our culture badly." The public inquiry announced this week must, said Campbell, look into "all newspapers", leading to "a new and different culture and a new and different regulatory system". The Labour leader, Ed Milband, said last night that the News of the World's closure "doesn't solve the real issues".
You see what's happening? Two separate grievances and two separate targets - one totally justified, the other largely not - are being joined together. The "journalistic culture" Campbell has spent the past 10 years complaining about is not newspapers that have invaded people's privacy - but newspapers that have been too unkind to important public servants such as himself.
And "all newspapers" are not the same as the News of the World. Most do not deserve to be tarred with the brush of the worst. The vast majority of journalists I know have not and would not do as the News of the World has done. We make mistakes - I made a pretty famous one myself - but they are mostly honest mistakes.
No doubt there will be hollow laughter around some breakfast tables at this. The danger right now is that the wave of disgust sweeps all before it. It is true that all media organisations from time to time use tactics that may, to some, seem morally dubious. We sometimes pay for information. We sometimes use subterfuge.
But the difference is that unlike the News of the World, where hacking seems to have been almost a reflex, most newspapers employ subterfuge, payment and the like rarely, carefully and on stories of real public interest. In a country as secretive as Britain, there is sometimes no other way to obtain information of vital public importance. Had The Daily Telegraph not paid its sources, all you would have seen of the MPs' expenses would be acres of blacked-out paper.
Many politicians nurture huge grievances about that and other stories. The clear danger now is that they will see the public anger about phone hacking as their chance to push through a "new and different regulatory system" making it harder to do such stories - criminalising payments for official information, for instance.
That would be wrong, because the failure here was not of regulation. Phone hacking is already against the law. What happened to Milly Dowler was a failure of the police, who knew what was happening but refused to enforce the law, and of the broader political system, as well as a failure of the journalists themselves.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#56
This again will be a story that will run on and on,
nice cameron taking fully the blame,
as howard indicated earlier the torygraph indicated this will seriously damage cameron, and they don't think he will survive
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Alec Sheldon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
- Posts: 1,037
#57
#54. Quite right Howard, everyone shouting and nobody listening. Emily Maitlis lost control.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#58
Alec
nice to chat to you on the bus other day
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Alec Sheldon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
- Posts: 1,037
#59
Likewise Keith.