Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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A few weeks off then 90% of them, possibly having received redundancy, will be back in work.
Yes Rebekah Brooks should be sacked.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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apparently there were angry scenes when ms brooks told the staff what was happening.
brooks is probably teflon coated, she must know the ins and outs of the organisation and could bring it to its knees if she told the world what she knows.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Breaking BBC News
Andy Coulson former Downing St Communications Director is expected to be arrested for phone hacking during his time as Editor. He is currently being questioned by Police.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Cameron states whole nation shocked by latest developments of phone hacking.
Main Points
Hacking into Millys phone despicable he states.
Full Inquiry will be established and Judge - led
Press Complaints Commission has failed
Self regulation of press not worked
Leaders of all parties have not gripped this issue.
Party Leaders turned blind eye to win support.
Despite warnings govt did nothing.
Relationship between power and papers must change
PM accepts full responsibility for appointing Andy Coulson
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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[Hi Guys 'n' gals]
Who shall buy a souvenir issue on Sunday? What revelations will they come up with for their Swan Song?
P.S.
Will we ever get that London Bus down from the Moon? Will Freddy Starr go off hamsters and turn to salad? Our (once) proud tradition of all the news fit to print? What a relief none of this has anything to do with television and wider (narrower?) media ownership. Phew!
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Marek
I was quite impressed with Cameron's statement but it's falling apart at the question session where he is merely flannelling.
Tom
Elvis is driving the bus back as we speak!
As this is the lead story on all news channels and papers do we have to read about it on here surly there is more interesting things going on around dover than this.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alan
I suppose it may be of interest as a Dover publican appears to be embroiled in the scandal(allegedly)
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It wasn't me............it's the bloke round the corner!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Ed Milliband is really enjoying this isn't he? Bit of a cheek considering he had a chance to confront Murdock recently but chose not to. He keeps saying 'what the British public wants', funny... He hasn't been around my estate asking us what we think. Then again neither has Cameron. Where is Clegg in all this? Making the tea?
Keeps politics to myself
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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from the telegraph, i thought that paul mcmullan and hugh grant were mates.
I've just had a look at the BBC News' website. Number 2 and 3 on its "most watched/listened" list are clips of Hugh Grant holding forth on phone hacking and the amoral media. Public appetite for celebrity, it would seem, has not been dented by recent events. Viewers, listeners and readers would rather turn to the foppish Peter Pan of Four Weddings and a Funeral for his take on the crisis engulfing the fourth estate than to some unknown media analyst. I'm sure Rupert Murdoch will take note, as he plans the Sunday paper that will replace his News of the World: no more phone tapping, but the same focus on celebs. Readers will have no trouble moving on.
On Question Time last night (the first of those clips in today's BBC list) Grant didn't really look like a celeb. With his fine features, underfed air and greying short-cropped hair, he resembled one of those vicars who used to feature regularly in the News of the World. But if Grant was a vicar, there was also a tart - in the shape of Divine Brown, with whom he was caught in West Hollywood 16 years ago. The Rev Hugh Grant, riding on his high horse, was not always so prim and preachy.
Now, though, the born-again vicar of Sunset Boulevard has taken up the sword of righteousness to smite the sinners of Fleet Street (and not just of Wapping, he warns).
The naughty vicar is lucky. Britain is as keen on rehabilitation as an AA meeting: countless celebs have relied on the public's moral amnesia to rebuild their reputation. Porn stars, drunks, serial adulterers have managed to recycle themselves into someone socially acceptable, with an "interesting" hinterland. I certainly don't begrudge them their second chance; I just can't take Hugh Grant seriously when he waves that smiting sword of his.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I take it you do not like High Grant.
I thought he spoke a lot of sense last night along with the other idiots, well they did most of the time.
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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I have to admit that when I saw he was on I thought I would watch something else. In fact he gave the politicians a good run and that was worth watching!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Paul McMullan and Hugh Grant are definitely not mates after HG's article in the New Statesman a few weeks ago. There was a thread on here about it but I can't find it now. Here's the article:
http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/2011/04/phone-yeah-cameron-murdochI'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no opinion either way with hugh grant but he was photographed drinking with paul mcmullan in the castle a while back.
they are old mates.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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posted at the same time.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Hugh was photographed there while he was recording the material in the New Statesman article. He was looking for revenge after a picture he thought was for Paul's private use found its way into the Daily Mail.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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here is a piece from the media standards trust website dated last october.
Paul McMullan is probably not the best defender of press freedom. His arguments are muddled and contradictory. He puts forward moral arguments for privacy intrusion, but then confesses to having no moral sense. Yet he is worth listening to, partly because his arguments clearly reflect the views of others working in newspapers, and partly because - as Nick Davies said at the City University debate on phone hacking last night - he is the one of the only ones "who had the bollocks to speak on the record" about phone hacking and other 'dark arts' practiced at the News of the World.
McMullan was a features executive and member of the News of the World's investigations team. He now runs a pub in Dover. He told Nick Davies at the Guardian that "Getting information from confidential records, we did that regularly, time and time again. I always hid behind the journalist's fundamental get-out clause that, if it's in the public interest, you can do what you like. Some of what Steve [Whittamore] did was legal, like using the electoral register, but if he went a step further, I would not have given a second thought to whether that was illegal, because that's part of your job."
McMullan was one of six panellists debating how far a journalist should go, to a packed auditorium of 400+ students and journalists at City. Also on the panel were Guardian journalist Nick Davies, solicitor Mark Lewis, Professor Roy Greenslade, Max Mosley and Lord (Ken) MacDonald (former DPP), chaired by Andrew Caldecott QC.
For McMullan journalism pursues noble ends by ignoble means. It exposes corruption, hypocrisy, misbehaviour and moral transgressions. This is his justification not just for phone hacking but for delving deep into the private lives of public figures. If they hold themselves up as figures of public virtue, he argued, then the press should be able to show people when that is not true. We have a right to expose "dirty little sinners... breaking their marriage vows", McMullan said.
Nor is it just public figures, but anyone who might have done something wrong. McMullan was particularly proud of a News of the World splash he worked on that 'named and shamed' 50 peadophiles in the UK, publishing their names, photographs and addresses in the paper. Unfortunately, as Roy Greenslade pointed out, not all of those named were paedophiles and a number later successfully sued the paper for defamation.
Privacy, for McMullan, is just another word for secrecy, and secrecy should be exposed. "Privacy is the place where we do bad things" McMullan said. "In order to have a free and open society, you must treat privacy as the demon". Though the former NotW journalist may have been exaggerating for the sake of effect, the idea that journalists should have a right to invade people's privacy for the greater benefit of society is shared by others. Paul Dacre, the editor-in-chief of Mail Group Newspapers, made a similar argument in one of his rare public outings in November 2008:
"if mass-circulation newspapers, which also devote considerable space to reporting and analysis of public affairs, don't have the freedom to write about scandal, I doubt whether they will retain their mass circulations with the obvious worrying implications for the democratic process" (Paul Dacre, Society of Editors, 9 November 2008).
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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Guess there are alot of people who would put the knifes in, and who could blame them a few have tarnish those who had nothing to do with all this, and have lost their jobs.
What has happened is a disgrace but it seems the one at the top Mrs Brooks so far holds on.