Kath
I am glad you share my thoughts on Lincoln both in respect to the design as well as its cleanliness.It always seem a vibrant community.
What has always impressed me with Lincoln is the cleanliness. There is a Zero Tollerance and it works.
However to achieve this it requires Community Involvement as well as education and support from the local Authority on enforcement.
Community Involvement is letting the Council know when and where the problem is. The Council then must have the sincerity to action the problem. I have found, in general that DDC do respond, however, what I feel is that there has to be goals set and monitored with the Contractors (Veolia) in order that some of the "routine" cleaning problems are eliminated.
There is a National scheme that grades the towns cleanliness etc . Lincoln has the highest rating at 5*.I have felt for some time that the Veolia Contract should be geared to say achieving 3* in year one, 4* in year two and the coveted 5* in year three.
As far as DTIZ, if the design and retail/business mix is right with what we hope are job oportunities (in particular for our young of the town) we must think positively.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Good post Pat, but at the end, you stated "job oportunities (in particular for our young of the town) we must think positively.
Why leave the over 45s or over 50s out, job opportunities should be available for the older people too, they have mortages and other bills to pay.
Roger
Roger
You are quite right re older people (as a pensioner I know the problem,indeed work is required for all ages).
Why I emphasised the young is many have nothing to do and become disillusioned with society. Much, but by no means all, anti-social behaviour is from the younger element and how much of this stems from boredom. Get the youth into work and more of them will understand and accept social and community responsibilities.
Of course there are many young people already invoved within the community as we have seen by various post on the forum.
Dover has high unemployment and I welcome the DTIZ as a potential platform for job creation and this will I am sure cover all age groups.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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From the sketches in the paper it doesn't look too welcoming as others have mentioned. Perhaps the walls could be 'breached' in places to show through to the interior rather than act as a barrier.
Apart from that, and apart from the fact that I think it's in the wrong place, hopefully this is signs of life in the project.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i will be happy with anything that is built there to be honest.
anything is better than the present dereliction.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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A year or so ago David Hannent gave a lovely presentation at the Light of India, his plans involved lanes etc. Of course nothing has happened since, no reflection on David.
Like 99% of the town I'll believe progress is being made when I see it
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 41.
``Community Involvement is letting the Council know when and where the problem is. The Council then must have the
sincerity to action the problem. I have found, in general that DDC do respond,``
did'nt on 27th July
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Generally Reg I find that elected councillors have the motivation to get things done but it all stalls with the officers who control the processes behind the scenes. This council is officer-dominated and the officers seem to control the councillors, not the other way round. There are exceptions.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Can't say I have had problems with contacting DDC, but they are rather pushed just like a lot of us.
When I was out walking on the Heights, I took a photo on the phone and e-mailed it through there and then and the rubbish was removed very quickly
Been nice knowing you :)
It appears to be more luck than judgement from the stories we hear, and which we have no reason to doubt.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Like all services they are managed by people. There are good people and bad people, and people have good and bad days.....
Re Peter's point above - it is a difficult position, the officers's are the experts in their fields, councillors come and go and often don't have the expertise - there is a fine balance.
Been nice knowing you :)
People have good and bad days. Would you be so charitable if it were a surgeon or a pilot? People are paid to do a job.............
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Following on from David's post above there, here is a picture of the the David Hannent lanes plan as shown in the Light of India presentation mentioned. I dont think there was a real funding move behind any of this DH presentation but it was more a stimulation of what could be done...
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah now...a bit of confusion. Its been pointed out to me that the pic above is probably the Whitefriars development in Canterbury and Big Dave was just using it to illustrate what could be done..and there was I thinking it could be Dover. It was used in the presentation....here is another pic this time definitely the Dover plan.
to follow..yes here we are..
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I was going to say that it was 'generic shopping centre' at Whitefriars !
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Sadly the cinema and ten pin bowling is a pipe dream in that plan. Be great if a leisure company would invest that way in Dover but not likely. They were not interested even during the boom.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sad really - in Ashford there is even talk of another Cineworld in the town !!
Been nice knowing you :)
Jan Higgins
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Paul, that is because so many from Dover go to Ashford for the cinema, which is sad, we can but hope we get the entertainment part of the proposal.
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Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Strikes me that we are starting to hit the crux of the problem in East Kent. Because of the lack of retail/leisure facilities in places like Dover, Shepway and Thanet, everyone migrates to places like Canterbury and Ashford. These places then suffer from more and more congestion, whilst traditional town centres are left to wither. It does lead one to think that there needs to be a more co-ordinated approach to development across the whole of East Kent. Of course, what is ultimately needed is some injection of development funding from central government. If East Kent were "up North" that would have happened years ago!
Keith Sansum1
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Kevin
you are correct and hit the nail on the head.
yep there were as iv said in postings some time ago, 3 people who were looking to put in a bolwling complex at no cost to the council
sadly it was never taken up
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