Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#1
A motion to reject the proposal for a second time ended in a 5-5 tie, with chairman Cllr Frederick Scales (Con) supporting the scheme with his casting vote.
Voting against - Gardner, Hawkins, Eddy, Cronk, Wallace (which people might like to remember come the May elections?)
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/aldi-set-to-open-next-year-195771/
Meanwhile I've got 'Aldi Young Dudes' as my ring-tone.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#2
Rather 'Aldi Way from Mülheim'.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#3
Rumour has it that the last councillor mentioned in post 1 will not be standing again in May.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#4
I like Peter and I hope he does stand
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#5
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Rumour has it that the last councillor mentioned in post 1 will not be standing again in May.
That would be a shame, one of the Last Vestiges Of Sanity in the local labour group.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#6
think I missed something
last 2 posting
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,599
#7
Is there a Deal forum this whole thread should be on?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#8
Think the deal seats next may will be interesting after the above
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#9
Keith Sansum1 wrote:Think the deal seats next may will be interesting after the above
Should be a right bunfight to get selection throughout the district with seats up for grabs, I know that Ann Napier will be contesting Maxton and Elms Vale for Labour but that is it.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#10
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#11
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/aldi-slammed-for-pathetic-number-of-electric-car-charging-points-217772/
Letter to Editor:-
ALDI have been less than honest in their lack of provision of EV charging points in the new Deal store.
1. They state that with an average dwell time of less than 40 minutes vehicles would not have time to recharge.
Rapid DC chargers provide power at 50 kW (125A), use either the CHAdeMO or CCS charging standards. These are the most common type of rapid EV charge points currently, having been the standard for the best part of a decade. Both connectors typically charge an EV to 80% in 20-40 minutes depending on battery capacity and starting state of charge.
2. They waited until the local elections had been called in May to apply for the change of conditions. DDC officers then had the wool pulled over their eyes and nodded through the change with the approval of a single elected official there being no Planning Committee to properly consider the matter.
3. Elsewhere they do things differently. Since 2015 ALDI have been rolling out free rapid charging at all of their stores in Germany, and in Hungary are installing electric vehicle (EV) charging stations in the parking lots of 123 Aldi supermarkets around the country, while vowing to include charging stations at most stores built in the future.
The question to be asked is 'why should a brand new supermarket in Deal not have that which is becoming a 'given' in Europe'?
The answer I suspect is that our supine council and its planning department will allow the to get away with.
As you say in your headline (EKM 11/12) 'pathetic'. It's pathetic on a number of counts.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#12
And there was me thinking the question was - "Why should any supermarket provide FREE electric vehicle charging?"
Surely if you can afford an EV you ought to be able to pay to top up its battery.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#13
Thank you Ross, my thoughts exactly, supermarkets are not expected to provide free petrol or even sell the stuff
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#14
Ross, it’s a loss leader. It’s a good way to build brand loyalty. Most Auchan branches in France have FOC chargers, which make shopping trips even cheaper than they were when diesel was half price in France. Many Lidl stores in UK have rapid chargers which were all FOC until recently. We still use the local Lidl even though we now have to pay 23p a unit. Our Leaf does 4.2 miles to 1kWh of electricity. Our diesel Citroen used to do 37 mpg. 5p a mile vs 17p is a saving of over £1400 a year on an annual mileage of 12000. If we keep the car five years the saving will more than outweigh the difference in purchase price between ours and a similarly equipped petrol model. Plus servicing is far cheaper, there’s nothing dirty under the bonnet, the boot is huge (no fuel tank), the brakes will last the life of the car (regeneration braking means recovery of kinetic energy - the friction brakes seldom being used). The usually cited disadvantages (low range, low availability of charging points are rapidly disappearing.) Add to that the quiet and refined driving experience, and we are now fully committed to a zero-emissions future.
Here endeth the lesson.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#15
Hi Peter
I am fully aware of the potential cost benefits of a mid price electric or hybrid vs a similar sized ICE car over their respective working lives. I am also aware of the concept of loss leading, especially in the world of major grocery chains.
My issue was as much to do with the concept of "free" as it was with the expectation of those who can afford to pay wanting something for nothing. As has been noted by many an economist "there is no such thing as a free lunch", ultimately someone pays; in this case it is the non EV customers who see the cost of the electric recouped through the prices they pay in the shop(s).
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#16
And this is part of the reason why wee Greta is fighting a losing battle!
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#17
We need to avoid providing opportunities for the comfortably well off to virtue signal especially if the facilitation of that is at the cost of and to the less well off.
However, I am not opposed to EVs, in fact I think we need to positively encourage uptake both of private vehicles and most especially buses and local delivery vehicles.
Perhaps this could be through a reduction in the licence fee, coupled with pollution charges in town areas for non electric vehicles.
EVs are not the magic bullet that will solve climate change, given the current environmental issues around the manufacture and disposal of their battery packs etc., though they are absolutely a part of the answer to the level of pollution in towns and cities and should be embraced for that.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#18
"We need to avoid providing opportunities for the comfortably well off to virtue signal especially if the facilitation of that is at the cost of and to the less well off."
"Perhaps this could be through a reduction in the licence fee, coupled with pollution charges in town areas for non electric vehicles"
Not much of a contradiction between those 2 statements Ross?
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#19
Ross, EVs already attract zero license fees and exemption from the congestion charge in London. There are also moves afoot to allow them to use bus lanes, while banning diesel taxis from them.
Regarding your virtue-signalling jibe, perhaps I should prise off the ‘zero emissions’ badges on our car and replace them with ‘5.0 V8’ as sported by the Ford Mustang?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#20
In principal I like the idea of EVs but if the idea really takes off how will the much needed increase in electricity be generated. Surely more power stations will be needed what will run them, more wind farms or even the dreaded not allowed for cars diesel, petrol or oil in some form.
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