Keith Sansum1
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becoming a big problem
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the litter is only part of the problem keith, the sanitary conditions and the risk of fire in overcrowded conditions is a bigger worry.
don't forget children are living in these conditions.
Social workers are probably too busy accusing the wrong people of abuse to take the time out to tackle the sort of people who might challenge them back or get stroppy.
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bern;
i think that comment is a little unfair on the work of social workers.
bearing in mind whatever decisions they make they will upset some one
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disagree there keith, too many times they tiptoe around rather than give offence.
safety of children should be first and foremost their objective and not being politically correct.
we recently had a thread here about mutilation of children over a long period without anyone being charged.
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then we have the other side where children taken away
found tobe wrong
and front page news why did they take the child away
they are in a no win situation
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No they are not. If they did their jobs effectively it wouldn't need a win or lose outcome.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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sadly in todays society it does bern.
they are overworked, short of staff,
the list goes on
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Bo*****s. I have heard too often that people are overworked and short of staff, and yet still manage to take over long lunch breaks and manage their time poorly. It is more about time management than shortage of staff.
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bern;
we can only disagree on this thread
KCC Will tell you there is a shortage many social workers going to london authorities where the pay was better.
but anyway its nice to have so many differing views
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I'm supporting Bern on her views on Social Workers (and Bern is not a Conservative Keith), there is still a lot of complacency about the work they do and as Howard also said, they do tip-toe around many family situations.
I have been told that many agencies are now involved with the "problem" families in the lower end of Folkestone Road, but they are problems that will take more than 5 minutes to resolve, especially as there are language and culture issues to overcome.
Perhaps if the Environmental Health team (and others) made impromptu/unannounced visits to some of the houses, they would be able to see just how overcrowded they are and the condition in which these people live.
That condition may be acceptable in the Country they come from, but not acceptable here.
Roger
Also factor in that the agencies fail to speak to each other.
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so the lack of agencies talking to each other and all the non social worker problems is all the social workers fault
now i understand
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i agree with roger on surprise visits, it can then be assessed how many people are living in each unit.
i don't believe that this behaviour is acceptable in their country of origin,
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howard;
that last post has no relevance to social workers
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Yes it does. They are paid to be judgemental about people from all walks of life. And yes, Keith, agencies not speaking to each other is the fault of all of those not speaking, including social workers, collectively and as a group.
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let me again try to explain.l
social workers are overworked/understaffed which adds to the pressures of making the right decision.
i fully agree that social workers that see a problem should be highlighting it
but there are a number of other agencies listed above that should also be playing there part
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Boy am I glad you made that clear to poor little me with my fluffy head full of wool.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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how silly bern that you find it difficult to have a reasonable discussion
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It is one of my weaknesses, that lack of ability to converse.