Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Roger,an individual who lives on Folkestone road, recently made a complaint about refuse left outside his house to Dover District Council.They sent people from the environmental health department who quickly realised there was an issue.When said individual enquired when it was to be removed he was told it was 'not their problem' but the landlords.The individual in question is seriously debating to with hold his council tax or not.I think this is a serious abrogation of duty on the part of the Council.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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And how can I follow this up without any details John ? If you would like to email me with details, I will see what I can do.
If the rubbish is on the public highway, then the council will have it removed; they will try to determine ownership and then fine those owners. If it is on private land, then it is either the tenant or owners responsibility, they will intervene if there is an environmental health concern.
I had a meeting recently with the waste-services department and the enforcement people in Folkestone Road; we meet at the bridge and a whole range of topics were discussed (dog-poo, a play area, waste bins, landlords, litter, weeds, front gardens etc. and all are being worked on.
The people living at the old Boston Guest House at the junction of Malvern Road and Folkestone Road are a particular problem, they had been told several times that they must move their wheelie bins round the back, as they have a large (ish) garden there to put the bins and they must not be on the pavement on the front.
Now they have big metal bins and they are (still) on the pavement on the front.
When they went again to request they are put round the back "speak no English - no understand", so now they have to go with an interpreter who speaks their language.
I would be very, very surprised if no one there can speak English, I think they are just being difficult.
Some serious talks with landlords is the next step.
The Folkestone Road should and could be a road to be pround to live on, but with people like those mentioned above - and others, it won't be.
Roger
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Hi Roger,
thank you for the reply,I spoke to the individual again today.I think he was concerned that he felt isolated in having to deal with this situation.I assured him that there is a bigger picture unfolding,hopefully something that will enhance the living conditions and dignity of the town.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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funnily enough a couple of them spoke very good english when i photographed their bins roger.
in fact they had a very wide and colourful vocabulary.
Jan Higgins
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Some have great trouble with their English especially when in the wrong but at other times understand perfectly.
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Keith Sansum1
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EX AMSTERDAM house has rubbish in large bins, spilling out all over the forecourt, imagine what thats to be like after heavy rain/winds
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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saw it the other day i believe that roger is onto it.
more complicated because the rubbish is not on the pavement.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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rats don't determine what is a pavement and what is private property
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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John - I've sent you an email, if you get the chance to read it, please do send me a reply.
It is true that rats don't know or care about public and private areas, but they must be eliminated where ever they are.
I think Jan has it perfectly.
Roger
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I learnt how they use the "no understand" when we caught or thought they were shoplifting.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Same principle I guess with their uncivilised behaviour in Folkestone Road - the lower end.
We need a zero-tolerance to what goes on there.
Roger
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Hi Roger,
thank you very much.Please ignore my first attempt at electronic communication as my computer has a mind of its own.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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had a look earlier, the bins are creeping back onto the pavements and black bags(some broken open) are spilling all over.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Yes, I saw that Howard and have taken yet more photos and sent them to DDC and also had a chat with the Manager of the Environmental Health department. They are working on it, but it's not easy when people are (or seem to be) purposefully difficult.
The Landlords are being spoken to as well - about their residents.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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took these earlier, the problem is creeping back. will e mail these to roger but i suspect he is already onto it.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Its an awful shame that the Folkestone Road is such a tip. Of course parts of it are very well kept and look lovely but thats mostly at the top end. Those wheelie bins have a lot to answer for (thanks for recent pix above, Howard) not to mention the landlords who should be taken to task with regard to their tenants and the state of their properties. For goodness sake, it's a major route into Dover from the A20 and is an utter disgrace.
Well done Roger, I know you are working very hard trying to resolve these problems for everyone and for individuals like John's contact SMILEY:thumbs
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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A couple of questions about the awful picture above.
How many people are living in the house to cause so much rubbish, I know they are flats? The bedsit owner who lives next to me has insufficient bins and has asked for more could this be the problem.
Was there as much rubbish from the tenants prior to the new bin system? If not it suggests other people are using the bins rather than have the stuff outside their own homes.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i cannot say anything for certain on this one jan but it is well known around here that 3 or more families each with a house paid for by housing benefits get together and live in one then sublet the remaing ones.
not an urban myth either, a few years back the house 2 doors from me housed between 20 and 30 people for a considerable time.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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to give a slightly different viewpoint
the council has visited these properties at least 3 times to my knowledge
and im sure roger and others will keep up the pressure
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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how is that a different viewpoint keith, it is well documented that the council waste department has been as active as it is possible to be.
