Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jacqui, enormous sums of money are saved through recycling metal and glass.
In particular metal, which is increasing in price on the world market, should be recycled, because this saves money and pollution in transforming bauxite and iron-ore into the end product.
An empty metal can, be it made of iron, stainless steal or alluminium, has already undergone this initial transformation, so when melted down, it becomes fluid metal, ready for re-moulding into a new item.
It works out a lot cheaper then starting the whole process from scratch using iron-ore or bauxite.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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in political speak `we have no plans to" means yes we will but you cannot prove it.
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
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Phillip, "recycling is not going to save the planet"
I am certainly not going to say that you are wrong, but what is going to save the planet?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Maybe those who cant be bothered to recycle would prefer a land fill site next door to where they live then they can just dump their rubbish over the hedge.
DDC do not get my tins they go to the Air Cadets for their fund raising, if they receive money so will the council, another reason to recycle.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A lot of it will end up in landfill regardless.
If they are serious about cutting wast then they would deal with it at the corporate stage, the excessive packaging we get today and things like bottle deposits as we used to have.
This is not the way to deal with the problem and yes, it is a real problem but the authorities are taking the easy way out in making the public do the work. I am not playing.
Barry did you get a calender with your bins ?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Barry would you prefer your council tax to go up and the council pay for the rubbish to be sorted.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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JHG- we pay £35-00 a year for our garden waste -a fortnightly collection and well worth it(we've been paying that for 2 years anyhow). It works out just right. The food waste is weekly in the little bin and so is the glass and plastic container /packaging bin and the paper/cardboard container. My whole family just love it-we tell each other off if it goes in the wrong one! My grandson is an expert and takes great pains to correct my incorrect disposals! Great fun! The fortnightly land fill is also just right-as there is hardly anything in it! I've looked into it and the council are bound to recycle unless there is a severe logistical problem . Trust you to be cynical about it all going to landfill anyway Barry.. and surely I don't detect a bout of militancy! Jan you are quite right I would much rather spend a minute or two helping with recycling rather than pay more on my rates.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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I don't have a problem with the bins or the recycling, I am happy with both.
However, my wife would not be able to put the bins out if she was on her own and I am sure that these bins are not good for everyone.
My friend has no front garden, so his bins are in his back garden which is accessed via a path with a journey of about 300mtrs. On pickup day, no one can use the pavements because they are blocked with bins. This was not a problem for them with black sacks, so why not use different coloured sacks for those who have difficulties with bins?
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Jan H & Barry get the star prize.
-Less packaging,
-Deposits on bottles,
-A 'real' return for tins. As with charity donation.
So, what is left, as far as possibilities are concerned? Could food waste be divided between pig-swill and compost? Or is the whole thing worthy of composting?
If we continue to dig holes what of the mounds of earth etc. then what of the settling down of the waste?
I am ready to be corrected, but is the only stuff not so far dealt with the plastic that is not, at present, recyclable? How much of even this could be obviated through deposit schemes?
This leaves the electronics. At present these hazardous materials are left to the worlds poor to sort through and many of the component materials are rare in the extreme...still a few more well chosen wars here and there might help with that.
I have heard of people who discard 'excessive' packaging before leaving the supermarket car park.
The US idea of 'dumpsters' could help in those situations where there is insufficient pavement space?
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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A lot of plastics are now made of recycled plastic, I remember seeing a programme where in theory virtually all rubbish can be recycled if there is the will.
I wonder how many on this forum are now recycling their used batteries we now recycle most of them at the shop. I am willing to bet Barry does not.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan - the only thing I recycle is paper, so you are right.
As I have said before they are tackling this is the wrong way and should first be dealing with the problems of landfill and waste at the corporate end instead of closing the door after the horse has bolted.
If I felt that end of the equation was being dealt with I would be more amenable to doing more and there would be less to worry about as well.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Mmmm interesting
PhilipP - recycling wont save the planet but it will re-use scarce resources and significantly reduced already constrained landfill
BarryW - you manage to recycle paper in the nice big blue bag/black box so what is so difficult about putting your plastics, glass and metal waste in the nice blue lidded bin? Food waste then goes in the little green bin and everything else goes in the other bin - not so hard is it?
Tom - the food waste is all compostable - local authorities use special industrial composters that create compost in roughly 6 weeks this is then sold to farmers or used on community gardens and parks thus reducing the authorities spend on compost or peat substitutes.
BarryW - yes of course we need to tackle this from the producers end as well, using "carrot and stick" approaches to get them to reduce packaging and to also maximise the use of recyclable materials in the packaging that is left. We should also be looking to get white goods manufacturers to develop some form of collective recycling scheme whereby when you get a new TV or fridge or computer or washing machine, they take it away and break it up and recycle it. Unfortunately, without legislation corporates will not do this unless there is money in it for them
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Ross, I think quite a few companies take the old white goods when you buy a new one, the problem is with the private second hand market.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Gary, in Dover there was a problem with sacks: a seagull would often descend, lift a sack up in the street, and drop it, spilling its contents everywhere, and then rumaging through it.
I reckon there was an active group of about ten seagulls doing it, but they left an awful mess.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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active group of sea gulls alex?
i hope you are not suggesting that they are responsible for the burgeoning gang culture blighting our sleepy town.
before we know it belligerent badgers will be plagueing our alleyways.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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and not forgetting the gangs of foxs to.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Alexander.
That happens just about everywhere and not just on the coast.
Most of that could be avoided with better timing from both sides.
I was only referring to some people, not all, just the ones who have genuine problem's, ie, lone disabled, no space for bins, etc.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Thank you for the info Ross. I wonder if this 'free' compost reduces the need to spread human waste on fields?
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Guest 730- Registered: 5 Nov 2011
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I have been following the bin discussion with interest since they were dumped on us here in Balfour Road, and I've just registered so I can add my comments.
I don't think the problem is recycling, I'm happy to go along with that and I think most people will when they get used to it. It's just the size of the bins, they are just so big and ugly and totally unsuitable for small terraced houses. I think they should only be given to properties where they can be stored out of site of the road. Balfour Road looks horrible now as do most other residential roads in Dover. I don't have a car so I tend to walk round Dover quite a bit, you probably don't notice them so much driving, but when you are walking you see them everywhere, the whole town is blighted by them. Doesn't anyone on the council care what our town looks like, or don't residential streets matter to them.
I can't understand why we can't be given the alternative boxes and bags, I'm sure the bin men wouldn't mind, I've noticed they're still collecting bags anyway and it must be quicker to empty a small box than a big bin. Surely now we've got the green bins for food waste then seagulls wouldn't be such a probem either would they. They wouldn't bother with the bags if there was no food in them, and even if they did I'd rather see the occassional split bag than these things everywhere.
Anyway I've had an email from the council. after complaining, that we're going to be reassesed, so I'll wait and see what happens. hopefully someone will see sense. Incidently I've also emailed both district councillors for this ward and neither have had the courtesy to even reply.