DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
- Posts: 1,116
That really isn't true Keith.
I never get personal on this forum and won't start now. Jan is quite right and fair in her analysis. It is also a fact that half of people who train to be teachers leave within 5 years. Why do you think this happens?
The reason you seem to think that sticks are required is because you think that children do not do what they are told. Why is this?
Respect is such a vital part of our society and is also vital within education. However when adults fail to show reasonable levels of respect, how do we expect children to act?
There is a shortage of teachers, especially good ones. If we value education as a society, we should be trying to make it better, not just running it down.
I agree with you DT1 , there are good and bad in every walk of life and every job has those who will shirk responsibility and take every privallege the contract allows , I do a job which most people I meet tell me they couldnt do , but there is no way I would want to be a teacher .
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
They are leaving because of stress, they cannot control the class (see stick)
why do you think polish schools do better than UK schools
It's because they do not have the class room mayhem and bad behaviour we have in the UK
It's a national scandal that your profession have pocketed comfortable salary's and perks for years of failure
Liberals have had there way in this country for years and have destroyed the boundaries that society needs to regulate behaviour for the good of all,
From schools to law and order.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
- Posts: 7,819
I dunno Keith that's a very sweeping statement and not particularly accurate. "Comfortable salaries for years of failure" is not an accurate way of describing modern teaching. As with any profession some are good and some are not so good, but overall the effort is very good in often difficult circumstances.
You cannot control young people nowadays with a stick as you put it either...but there are excellent teachers still producing excellent pupils and excellent kids. It is a highly stressful job...not one I could do.
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
- Posts: 1,116
Wrong again Keith.
The main reason given for them leaving, is the workload.
I don't think it is stressful, just hard and rewarding work.
As this has been reduced to mud slinging, I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that when you corrected post #11, you still failed to spell 'process' correctly.
Nobody's perfect and we all make mistakes, but in this case I think you're fair game. I have a good friend who is an excellent English teacher.
Failing that your could go and see my other friend who is in the army. He can't spell very well but I'm sure he could sort out a big stick for you.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
A-level educations table
1. Lithuania 92%
2. Czech Republic 91.9%
3. Slovakia 91%
4. Estonia 89.2%
5. Poland 88.7%
6. Latvia 88.5%
7. Germany 85.8%
8. Switzerland 85.8%
9. Slovenia 83.3%
10. Finland 83%
19. UK 76.1%
It's hared to face the facts, when you have a vested interest in the statuesque, and your fat pension,
employers all over the country would dispute your limp argument
These EU countries all have one thing in common; they do the job and control the class room,
Another teacher's view point, mister DT1.
In teaching, where it is nearly impossible to lose your job, one's professionalism and self-respect are compromised. This "job for life" ethos destroys the motivation of young, talented and enthusiastic teachers who eventually leave because they want to stand out from the crowd. Do we not care about our children enough to ensure they are given the very best in school?
Assistant heads, deputies and heads are teachers too. Too much union power doesn't just ensure that failing teachers remain in post - it also protects shockingly poor senior teams who are incapable of properly supporting their staff. Unreformed union power means one size fits all: defend everyone, no matter how much they betray our children.
While defence of the working man is a crucial part of any civilised society (to prevent exploitation), when that power means that the very idea of firing a bad teacher is not an option - 17 teachers in the UK were fired in the past decade for incompetence - then as a society we have lost our way.Children are our future and they deserve the very best.
• Katharine Birbalsingh is a former deputy headteacher
(STICK) to the facts ridicule and abuse are turned to when peoples arguments are thin.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
............."It's hared to face the facts, when you have a vested interest in the statuesque, and your fat pension,
employers all over the country would dispute your limp argument "..........
Then I read.
.........." ridicule and abuse are turned to when peoples arguments are thin."........
Both in the one post.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
Ok ok
The schools are all good the teachers are doing a good job and all deserving of a big fat pay rise, when labour are back in they will get it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
keith
the issue is not that simple, behaviour for example is beyond the control of teachers if the parents do not set guidelines at home.
exam results improve year on year because teachers are told to teach pupils to pass exams, and that certainly happens.
education like health is used by politicians who want to put their stamp upon it rather than improve the system.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
Howard, kids that whish to study cannot if theirs mayhem in the class room
This is the responsibility of the school to ensure an environment for study
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Morale among state school teachers is at "rock bottom", according to a former chief inspector of schools, who speaks out as unions warn that a "perfect storm" of government meddling threatens an exodus of talent from the profession.
courtesy of the guardian maybe darren was right and keith b wrong all along?
Christine Gilbert, who resigned as head of Ofsted last year, said there was evidence of widespread disillusionment in schools despite the level of teacher professionalism being "better than ever".
Her comments come as a survey from the biggest teaching union, the NASUWT, reveals that nearly half of its 230,000 members have considered quitting in the last year, amid a collective crisis of confidence in the profession.
More than a third said that they did not believe they were respected as professionals and half said their job satisfaction had declined in the last year.