Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Goves controversial guidelines for teachers is highlighted in todays press. He believes there is a link between a lack of education and children leaving school illiterate. He said respect for adults had been 'subverted by a culture of dutiless rights' which encouraged the young to ignore civilised boundaries.
In his speech, the Education Secretary said last month's riots had highlighted the growing gulf between what he called a 'hard-working majority' and a 'vicious, lawless, immoral minority'
New rights for teachers to restrain unruly pupils without having to record such incidents,
Increased financial penalties for parents who fail to ensure their children attend school,
More male teachers to provide role models for children with absent fathers,
Anonymity for staff accused of mistreating children to protect against malicious allegations,
The power to search children for any item, such as mobile phones or iPods,
Heads allowed to expel pupils without fear of being overruled,
An end to the requirement for teachers to give parents 24 hours' notice of a detention
He went on to say ''The right every child deserves, to be taught properly, is currently undermined by the twisting of rights by a minority who need to be taught an unambiguous lesson in who's boss,' .
Many pupils were failed in primary schools because their behaviour was not policed with proper boundaries and they were not taught how to read properly.
'The right of every child to be taught properly is undermined by a minority who need to be taught a lesson in who's boss'By the time they arrived in secondary school, they were unable to follow the curriculum and covered up their failure with shows of bravado and disruption.
Extracts from the Mail on line.
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Jan Higgins
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#2
Although there are some good points I disagree with others.
Not quite sure about staff anonymity, it depends what they are accused of or the power to search for mobile phones and iPods, weapons yes.
I definitely disagree with the detention requirement, responsible parents would be worried sick if their children were not home at their usual time.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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#3
I have to say i have some concerns if thse moves are correct.
let me take the points one at a time;
1; i think teachers should be able to retain pupils,but without recording incidents
is a concern as this could make situation worse
2;increased penalties, although in theory it's a good idea, if it's for those on
low incomes will this realy solve the problem, i think not
3;not sure male teachers would make any difference
4; if teachers are to remain annonomnous(i understand why) you would need in
place a robust procedure to deal with such claims
5; i agree on searches at any time with good reason
6; not sure of the head having right to expel, but understand the reasons why
this would want to be in place, but would hope the governing body of the
school would have been a better body
7; i think the 24 hour detention notice is probably a good one, as it would be
dangerous not to tell parents there children are in detention as someting
could happen to them on the way home, then who would be liable?
Theres no doubt school disipline needs sorting, but with it requires more powers to
police to carry out there job
better sentencing
fear of going to prison
more respect for police
agencies working together
cor the list is endless
so
theres my starter for 10 lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
i would go with all that except for the first one.
restrain can mean many things, that has to be clarified and incidents recorded.
detention should not be a problem, schools can easily contact parents to let them know where their offspring are.
Ross Miller
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- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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#5
Well let me see
Firstly this is from the Daily Fail so lets take it all with a rather large dose of Sodium Chloride
1. New rights for teachers to restrain unruly pupils without having to record such incidents - this needs to be defined and very clear definitions of what is considered to be unruly behaviour that warrants restraint and what restraint constitutes - it must NOT be a licence for teachers to commit common assault on pupils (no matter how much the little so and so's deserve it)
2. Increased financial penalties for parents who fail to ensure their children attend school, - again given that truancy and attendance issues tend to be largest in poorly performing schools in poor areas perhaps this is ill advised. Perhaps fixing the social problems of these areas and fixing the problems of poor staff might reduce truancy etc.
3. More male teachers to provide role models for children with absent fathers, - Yes this is sensible, but too many male teachers have been driven out of the profession by those that see all heterosexual men as rapists and paedophiles
4. Anonymity for staff accused of mistreating children to protect against malicious allegations, - this needs clarity and proper definitions as to when it applies and when it doesnt. The creation of uncertainty of whether the allegation will lead to disclosure will stop 99% of all malicious accusations.
5. The power to search children for any item, such as mobile phones or iPods, - Yes but again with the same constraints that apply to all civil authorities with regard to search and seizure
6. Heads allowed to expel pupils without fear of being overruled, - Yes this is a long overdue reform - Heads do not use this sanction lightly and didnt in my day
7. An end to the requirement for teachers to give parents 24 hours' notice of a detention - No it is bad enough that there are "latch key kids" without exacerbating this problem - parents have a right to know/be informed that their child is being kept in after school and need to have the opportunity to make necessary arrangements etc.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#6
1. If there is to be record then no one will be the wiser if a child is often treated thus or if a teacher abuses their powers. Cowards come in all shapes and sizes.
2. Palpable nonsense.
3."Send the (ex)army in." He means.
4.Innocent until...
5.Stop & Search. Now behind closed doors too?
6. Yes, better for the governors.
7. Yes. Notice is vital.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#7
The one thing that is most needed is not being done....
... the re-introduction of corporal punishment.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Khan it be Ghengis, I see to your left Barry?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Hey - Keith, now you really are talking
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have looked everywhere but it seems that the mail is the only one to raise this subject, seems like we have had a debate over nothing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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nothing unusual for the mail
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