Meet the Western Heights Preservation Society - Public Meeting
- 2 August 2012 22:38185909#38 - Still have no idea who you are saying is "making a decision for us", or who you are presenting to or who you area appealing for money from or who's decision you are awaiting ??
There are certainly no secrets to the problems of the Western Heights, they are already high profile with the "Heritage at Risk Register" and KCC and DDC and lot of other bodies, but its the MONEY that is the issue...Been nice knowing you :) - 2 August 2012 22:40185911I dare say if you are expaining it to 'someone' as well as you are explaining it to us, your letter has probably been long 'filed' away.....Been nice knowing you :)
- 2 August 2012 22:48185913PS - I don't know about anyone else but I think I can see a couple of small hints of sarcasm in Jeff's post #37 - anyone else spot them? Must say they were rather subtle so you need to look carefully....Been nice knowing you :)
- 2 August 2012 23:10185914Sarcasm? I though we were talking about the West Bank of the Dour. Mind you, I have been to the other West Bank (well, just Jericho) and I have to say it would be a nicer place if it were not for all those property developments funded by Israeli banks.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 2 August 2012 23:20185916oh dear just got in and thought i would have a quick look in, sadly this thread has gone the way of another similar one.
could be time that we all look at ourselves and consider the quality of our contributions to this forum?
nasty snipes just make people look rather silly. - 2 August 2012 23:20185917I believe that Alexander is referring to the DfT and his submission on the latest proposals by the DHB. It sounds like his submission may have gone a little off piste as far as the subject of the consultation was concerned if that is what he is hinting at. The consultation was essentially about whether or not the DHB met the revised criteria, so submissions that did not address the criteria and the ways in which the DHB proposal fails to meet them is not particularly good evidence in what is being treated by the DfT as a quasi-judicial process and decision.
Regeneration is clearly not at the core of the DHB proposal, just a quick read of their documentation will demonstrate that.
However, regeneration is at the core of DPPT's proposals and the scope, depth and breadth of the community's ambitions and needs were made well known to the correct government departments a long time ago now and have been kept before the faces of those departments since. I've personally spent a lot of time and effort on this and travelled to London many many times to speak with Ministers, Opposition Politicians and Civil Servants in the flesh, as well as writing to them on numerous occaisions. - 2 August 2012 23:29185919I'm trying to be open as possible about everything and to get a public meeting set up, but postings that require the use of the 'bombe" to decrypt them really isn't very productive and doesn't make sensible discussion very easy !
Thanks Neil, I was thinking of that but struggling to see the relevance
Been nice knowing you :) - 3 August 2012 01:25185921Paul by all means I approve your meeting as it's a good idea.
You asked me to attend, and so was giving the reason why instead of doing that, I'm waiting the outcome of the decision of the Decision Minister.
Neil, just between brackets so as not to divert from the thread and the meeting Paul is holding on 8th August, my representation is substantial, quite obviously attempting to explain why the DHB submission doesn't meet the said criteria.
On this we must surely agree, that it doesn't satisfy Dover.
So included are some examples of required regeneration in Dover, with the added statement that each example presented is an issue that has been considered locally by residents and councillors alike as pertaining to Dover's needs for regeneration.
Among these issues, the Western Heights SAM.
The only one thing I know for sure is that the intentions on my part are not negative for Dover. However, we cannot just see all this drag on, the DfT has to come to a decision, not in 5 years time, but now.
There is no reason why Western Heights should not benefit from funding in the context of regeneration, so quite clearly, we need substantial funding, not some inadequate one-off sum followed by an annual pittance in dividends.
As for the meeting next week, I hope it is fruitful, Paul
At least you know that my non-participation is not out of hostility towards WHPS.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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3 August 2012 02:19185922Paul - I hope to make it to the meeting"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 3 August 2012 08:11185933Ah, DHB, I thought you had some grand idea of a scheme that would actually get some money for the Heights. The Heights need tens millions of pounds of investments and no matter what happens with the port, I can only see a very small change of a fraction of that going towards the town as a whole let alone the Heights ! I think some lottery tickets for the Euromillions might be a better thing to hang our hopes on :)
Thanks Ross.Been nice knowing you :) - Keith Sansum1
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3 August 2012 18:21185991alexander, your secret meetings with someone unknown do little to help your cause, and realy works on the heights should realy be in the interests of everyone working together.
you are showing you are working alone, and could even be seen as duplicating works already in place by others already working in the area.
i feel your decision not to attend the public meeting is a backward step for you, i believe if you have the heights at heart this meeting is an ideal opportunity to share your ideas, what you want for the area, how you feel it could be funded, what you feel you could do to help the cause.ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 3 August 2012 21:25186005Keith:
"Duplicating works already in place by others"?
Not to my knowledge at any Rate!
Perhaps what I did was completely original!
Now that the 27th July has passed, I doubt my works can be duplicated either, as that was the last date to do it in, but I never said anything till that date had come and gone.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 3 August 2012 22:54186009If you really thought you had a great idea then you should have shared it!Been nice knowing you :)
- 3 August 2012 23:58186013I DID, Paul, with the Decision Minister!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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4 August 2012 08:43186022But it seems not the people involved locally with WH who do most if not all of the work.
This thread is now getting as daft as the other one.
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5 August 2012 08:21186117im convinced now that our alexander is baffling himself.
I have tried to follow/suggest ideas, alexanders postings, but now i can see alexander is a lone player, and the minister im sure will rrecognise this.
one thing all the govt depts love is local involvement in local bids.
I still find it very very strange that anyone who says they have the heights at heart, goes off alone putting a case unknown to anyone else, to a minister or some unknown person without first getting everyone that can make a difference to be part of a bid.
having been involved myself in man-y bids over the years im aware its important to share your views with as many people as possible and get support for the bid with other people.
going alone will end in failureALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS