Meet the Western Heights Preservation Society - Public Meeting
- 1 August 2012 00:55185615Paul, I couldn't careless for CGI and their investments!
I'm only interested in taking part in the Cause to prevent them urbanising Farthingloe and Western Heights. My cause is to preserve the Heights and the neighbouring Valley, not CGI.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 1 August 2012 08:01185627If you want to preserve the Western Heights Alexander, why don't you get involved in their activities and listen to what they have to say ?
Their sole intention is to preserve the Western Heights - that's why they're callled The Western Heights Preservation Society !! That's why they are willing to listen, but not give carte-blanche to CGI.
Roger - 1 August 2012 08:30185632The meeting isn't about CGI, it is around the past present future of the Heights. Clearly you are afraid of attending the meeting....Been nice knowing you :)
- 1 August 2012 18:15185713Lara/Lorraine - are you attending ?Been nice knowing you :)
- 1 August 2012 20:02185727Paul i shall attend if not working that night. Alexander i hope you will attend as they could always use your help on the working days. Politics are never given a mention its just decent folk working hard to try and help preserve our heritage.beer the food of the gods
- 1 August 2012 20:11185728Thanks Tom
Been nice knowing you :) - 2 August 2012 01:43185748Tom, Paul and I basically agree on what work needs doing on Western Heights, and that it needs funding. It is now necessary that funding comes through.
There are no excuses!
Not to secure funding would mean letting the Scheduled Ancient Monument decay.
I have brought the Scheduled Ancient Monument up in the funding for regeneration process for Dover, and so there can be no excuses.
I don't know if DPPT or DHB did, but I have.
To turn all this down would be a sad day for Dover. We need proper and adequate funding for regeneration, and as there are no excuses to turn all this down, I'm not budging one inch till it comes through.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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2 August 2012 07:36185757nope, iv read and re read alexanders comments and they still baffle me,
alexander appears to want to save the heights, yet when a meeting is called where im sure he can put forward his views even if they differ from that of the floor then this is probably a good time.
in the main alexander has posted how he has a crusade to save the heights, but in all honestly you have to use all available lobbying/talking/.convincing to help make it happen.
I'm certaimn the latest cop out by alexander that hes a member of english heritage so can't attend doesnt hold water.
even if this were the case(and it isn't) alexander when speaking could make it clear he is speaking as an individual and his views are not those of the english heritage.
rightly lara and lorraine are attending, whether they agree with the plans or not its correct to listen to all view points and have an imput, to lose opportnities such as these only goes to weaken your future arguments.
paul i would like to attend
keithALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 2 August 2012 08:17185762You have changed your tune more than a broken radio Alexander - if you really care for the Heights then you come and listen and talk to the people that been nibbling away at the issue for the last 12 years, raising the profile of the Heights through many channel, proving that there is interested by getting people from all over the country to come to Dover and visit our Heritage, and have ongoing discussions with the people with the people that have the ultimate yes or no with anything on the Heights - English Heritage...
Any lame excuses is really just a cop out !
Be good to see you there KeithBeen nice knowing you :) - 2 August 2012 09:39185786You still fail to reply wherever asked, where are you proposing all this funding comes from!
Whether it be Lottery or DHB or Mr Cameron or the Israeli Bank, you need business cases, project plans, professional achaeoogical and architectural reports, all costing thousands of pounds before you get a chance of being taken seriously.
Presumably with your plans to secure these millions of pounds to restore the heritage, you are now happy with the concept of tens and hundreds of thousands of visitors a year, and the associated infrastructre requirements to make it possible? Only with a considerable payback of vistors and proof of it being self-funding will anyone want to hand over any money.....Been nice knowing you :) - 2 August 2012 12:33185832#29.
'Broken radio'. Bit out of date, aren't you ? Broken iPod ?!
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Show me the money ! Yeah, wait it out. Good move ! - 2 August 2012 12:59185835#27 "I have brought the Scheduled Ancient Monument up in the funding for regeneration process for Dover,"
With who? Which 'an office' in London? The worlds most secretive public campaign eh?Been nice knowing you :) - 2 August 2012 13:01185836Must be on a 'need to know' basis !
- 2 August 2012 17:49185876Paul, the following: "whether it be Lottery or DHB or Mr Cameron or the Israeli Bank",
are not part of this regeneration proposal.
Firstly, I don't play the lottery, DHB couldn't afford to invest in the Heights, and as for the Israeli Bank, Western Heights is England, not the West Bank.
Until recently, it has been a common argument on the W.H. thread that not to fund the Scheduled Ancient Monument would lead to its decay. This has been my view for a long time, and for this reason I have been working for decent funding for regeneration, which would also include Western Heights.
I am optimistic and waiting for a favourable reply.
It was evident, that no-one making a decision for Dover's regeneration could make a pondered decision, without knowing some basing facts about Dover's real needs.
Surely they would have to know, among other things, that there is a Scheduled Ancient Monument in Dover.
Unless people are made aware of our reality, how could they make a decision for us?
Did anyone else present to them a basic outline of Dover's needs?
So, if I am not working against you, Paul, in what I presented, then surely we can agree that we're on the same side.
But if this all turns out to be a failure, then there would be no point anymore.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 2 August 2012 17:59185878I am talking Heritage Lottery Fund Alexander !!!
"I am optimistic and waiting for a favourable reply." - from who??
"Unless people are made aware of our reality, how could they make a decision for us?" - who is making a decision for us?
"Did anyone else present to them a basic outline of Dover's needs?" - who's the someone and to whom?
Why so cryptic ?? Anyone else confused ??Been nice knowing you :) - 2 August 2012 18:01185880Really got a headache. Just read and reread #34 about a dozen time and I still have no clue. Not just you Keith !!Been nice knowing you :)
- 2 August 2012 18:21185881Alexander.
#34 Are you saying you'd rather be in the West Bank ?!? Is there a better prospect for the future of Western Heights had it been built in the West Bank ?
When you say that DHB couldn't afford to pay for Western Heights, are you speaking for DHB ? Are you representing their view ? Do we take it that if they did have the money to spend on Western Heights, that they would then indeed spend that money ?
Why hasn't DHB come forward and said this ? Are you their mouthpiece ?
You say that you've been working for regeneration funding 'which would also include Western Heights.' So what other regeneration funding are you requesting ? Why the 'also' Western Heights ? Are you saying that there is a cause more worthy and that Western Heights is simply an add on ? The 'also' you use infers that Western Heights is not your main interest of regeneration ???
You said: "no-one making a decision for Dover's regeneration could make a pondered decision, without knowing some basing facts about Dover's real needs"
So are you saying here that Dover's future is only being pondered over and that basing facts are only worth pondering over ? And who is no-one ? Are you saying that 'no-one' is worth pondering over with regards to Dover's future ? Don't you think this is rather an irresponsible view ? With your regard to your representation of DHB's view in your post, are you saying that that is also the view of DHB ?
To whom are you making a basic outline of Dover's needs ? And is this just Dover's needs or also the needs or Western Heights ? Are these needs also representative of DHB ?
So if as you suggest it may all turn out to be a failure anyway, does that mean that you expect it along with DHB to be a failure ? Is this just a half-hearted effort on your part ?
Why would there be no point ? Are you saying here that there is no point to Dover's regeneration or Western Heights' regeneration ? Is this the official view of DHB ?
Thanks you for outlining the views of DHB - Can you tell me if their views are in contrast or agreement to the views of English Heritage ? Is there a dispute between these two esteemed bodies ? You mention that it may fail, yet the two won't want that ! - 2 August 2012 22:16185904Jeff,
Paul's posts above are comprehensible, but yours is not!
I haven't got a clue where you get the ideas from, that I have contacted an Israeli bank or DHB regards Western Heights.
I have nothing to do neither with Israeli banks, the West Bank, nor any contract with DHB.
Thought this had been made clear in my previous post on this thread.
The only people I know of who have contacts with an Israeli bank to fund Western Heights and Farthingloe, is CGI, and that is to build settlements in these two areas.
Going on to Paul's posts, yes Paul, someone is making a decision for us. An important decision, with regards to regeneration for Dover, and Dover includes Western Heights.
As stated in the previous post, without any proper information, how could that person make an informed decision? They need to know what needs funding, where generation needs to be applied in Dover, and funded.
So to have included the presence of a Scheduled Ancient Monument in my outline presentation, seems to be appropriate.
I don't know if DHB have done this too, but I strongly doubt it. As for DPPT, again I cannot say.
So the person making the decision will certainly know about Western Heights, as well as some other examples of needed regeneration in Dover, from my outline presentation, which they will either have already read, or will be reading.
So the ultimate decision regards funding for Dover's regeneration, in which I have included Western Heights as an example in need of funding, does not depend on us now.
For this reason I am awaiting the outcome of the decision.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 2 August 2012 22:20185905Boom !
- 2 August 2012 22:32185907You really do have some strange misconceptions Alexander -
A - there is only one 'side' at the meeting and that is the side of the heritage. It will be a civil, open and constructive meeting so that like-minded people can share their views and understand what is currently being done by WHPS. A meeting like this was suggested by Lara, so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone and turn possible members evening into a public evening.
B - as hard as you may find it to believe, just like English Heritage, WHPS isn't perfect and can't think of everything. If someone suggests an avenue to pursue, if sensible, worthwhile and works with the aims of the charity then it will be taken into consideration by the committee. Take for example the girls doing their Grand Shaft climb to raise funds for us earlier in the year. Certainly not cliquey or secretive, but when you are dealing with a Scheduled Ancient Monument is a very slow process with lots of red-tape so as much as you want to rush on and do things, you just have to go with the flow....Been nice knowing you :)