howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#2
If Maidstone can issue nearly 4,000 fines for littering and the rest of Kent only 600 then a lot of councils need to look at what Maidstone are doing and get their act together - Dover bottom of the table with no fines issued in 3 years for those who don't click the link.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Jack booted litter wardens in Maidstone
Audere est facere.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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I think I heard, on the news that it costs KCC about £60 to collect and deal with ONE black bag of rubbish.
There is a proposal that drivers who throw their rubbish from their cars have endorsements put on their licence - a good idea I think.
Unless some strong action is taken it will just get severely worse!
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 4 Agree.now they have green waste dumpers to deal with or BBQ`s will be a bit more smoky.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Just a thought, I wonder if Maidstone allow their Civil Enforcement Officers to give out litter fines as well as parking tickets, might explain their large number of fines.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Sadly the following quote is typical of DDC policy, very good at considering but awful at doing.
"A spokesman said: "The cabinet meeting on June 11 will be considering proposals to use a range of enforcement powers to strengthen the council's approach to enforcement of littering and other such offences."
There was an item on Breakfast this morning about roadside litter thrown from cars and lorries, I think they said it cost £100 million a year to collect it from just the verges.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I have been banging on about this to district councillors for years. Naming and shaming the boroughs which don't enforce the law might just make DDC do something. Of course the councillors defend their failure to act by saying Well, the officers tell us there are legal obstacles, it'll cost too much, we don't have the staff. But those constraints apply to every borough in the land. Get on with it DDC, the litter/dog poo/pavement cycling problem is what drags Dover down.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that statement does come across as saying that they need to be seen to do something rather than we will do something.
maidstone have been active over the issue for many years, i remember about 5 years back they were handing out cigarette stubbers to people arriving at the railway station and main car parks.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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peter
im frightened to say this lol
but i agree with you
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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4000 spot fines of £60 is £240,000. That should pay for a few enforcers.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have been nagging senior officers and Councillors, about allowing/requesting the enforcement officers to enforce more than just motoring offences, but not got anywhere - apart from the road sweepers now pick up dog poo, which is a good step forward.
A new move, is zero tolerance on all these so called minor offences, hope it is introduced soon.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#13
maybe there should be an alternative to on the spot fines, firing squad could be an option.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#14
to quick howard,besides that the bullets are to expensive.a nice piece of rope would be cheaper and last longer.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is what i like about you brian, your humanitarian side.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#16
howard,many thanks for your support in my humanaterian mission to litter louts and scrotes.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am always in your debt brian, without your expert knowledge i would not be casseroling road kill.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan - your extract in post number 7, is a brief description of what I have been saying -zero tolerance.
If the Cabinet do approve this, then I'm sure the whole Council as well as the District's residents, will be delighted.
The heading should read:
"To seek Cabinet support for the introduction of a more rigorous approach to environmental enforcement".
There is a good write up on it
Summary
This report reviews the current approach to environmental enforcement across the
Council and recommends that Cabinet allocates additional financial resources to
strengthen the Council's capacity to deal with the problem of 'envirocrime' and
ensure that the Council provides an effective enforcement service to support its
communities in combatting this antisocial behaviour. It is proposed that this is
achieved by strengthening the existing team and supplementing it by using additional
resources (PCSO's, Community Wardens, Parish Council Staff etc) including use of
external resources. External companies can provide suitably trained Enforcement
Officers to patrol the district and issue FPN's (Fixed Penalty Notice), particularly in
relation to littering and dog fouling, for which they will receive a fixed rate for each
successfully issued FPN.
Background
2.1 It is evident from public surveys undertaken by Dover District Council and
Neighbourhood Forum meetings that littering and dog fouling are key concerns for
residents of the district. In 2010/11 the following environmental crime related reports
were received:
Abandoned vehicles 204
Fly tipping 405
Littering 341
Dog fouling 496
Graffiti/fly posting 87
Accumulations of rubbish 201
2.2 Currently DDC utilises FPNs to a very minor degree. To respond to public concerns
it is proposed that the Council introduces a more robust system of environmental
enforcement within the district and it is recommended that greater use is made of the
fixed penalty enforcement powers available.
There is also a consideration to use outside sources on enforcement like littering and dog-fouling, where they will issue FPNs (fixed penalty noticies).
I think the Council should be applauded for this initiative, not grumbled at (they must have read my Touriosm Strategy !).
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all very well roger, fine words we will have to wait and see whether action is actually taken.