Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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13 October 2010
21:5774936true Alexander
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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14 October 2010
18:2575019An interesting development - I quote:
""The Guardian has learned that a US special forces soldier who is believed to have accidentally killed Norgrove is likely to face disciplinary action after failing to inform his commanding officers that he had used a grenade until long after the event.""""
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 October 2010
18:3975024easy to criticise anyone in the heat of battle but i could never imagine our s.a.s. or s.b.s. people doing that.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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14 October 2010
18:5275027Not so Howard.........US special forces = intelligent? Each grenade is of a different shape,weight and colour, H.E, smoke, flash bang or whatever
You know what you are carrying and where on your body. It's a very good idea though to look at it as you pull the pin.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
14 October 2010
19:0275029Our guys are highly skilled and developed. But as Howard says - it is easy to be critical from an armchair.........
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 October 2010
19:1175032ian
are you saying that they had stun grenades but someone made a mistake and threw a lethal one?
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14 October 2010
19:1775037Maybe I put that wrong Bern.
What I meant was that IF you are intelligent like our guys you would have known what you are using.
It Is very easy to be critical from an armchair. and in this case I enjoy doing it.
I just wonder what his excuse is? !Sorry i threw the wrong one!
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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14 October 2010
19:2375038Posted at the same time Howard.
If your going into a situ like that you go in armed to the teeth with every possible piece of equipment you may need but at the same time not to weigh you down. each type of grenade would have been evenly spread between the force in question.
Yes someone got it very wrong.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
14 October 2010
19:2675039Sorry Ian - my comment wasn't in response to your post but to Howards. I think our own guys are the business and I would be very surprised if one of our own would make such an error.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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14 October 2010
19:3275041They are all humans at the end of the day, even our own SAS and SBS. Humans make mistakes even those who are the best at what they do. Our blokes are the best and even the American agree with that. The US Navy Seals are also very, very good. Lets be realistic, in the heat of a battle sh** happens. What happened was tragic, dreadful and it could happen even if our blokes were doing the rescue.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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14 October 2010
19:3675042Thats ok Bern. very true about your last comment.
Just as an aside, a Blue on Blue a few years ago resulted in the fact the yanks had taken the Longbow radar off an Apache helecopter...........to save fuel.
The longbow can detect and identify targets many Ks away and destroy within seconds, so to save fuel some of our guys copt it.
What more can I say.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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14 October 2010
19:4275043A question arises here: where did the news come from that the hostage-takers had executed her as soon as the operation started? It also goes to show that the 'collateral damage' here in this operation is a proof of down-right failure! I mean, who can really believe that 'everything is done to preserve the life of innocent people in time of war' when this happens?
The SAS was not called in, so the American generals don't trust our soldiers, so let's get out of there! We don't need to take this butchery insult, do we? The life of that lady is worth more than what was attempted in order to free her, even in reference to the idea of paying a ransom to free her.
Surely there is no need for our troops to be in Afghanistan, if we get insulted like this!!!
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15 October 2010
05:1375076Alexander - what you say is unjust and unfair on our allies.
She was held in an American area of operations and the Seals are very good and capable troops. It is not a slur on the SAS that they were not called in. In fact the SAS reputation, as I have said, is second to none among our allies.
If the trooper who threw the grenade held back that information until later then an execution by her captors was the logical explanation. In the 'fog of war' things happen, it has always been the case, operations go wrong almost as soon as they start. One famous and successful general said that every battle plan is redundant as soon as the first shot is fired. Yes the operation was a failure as the objective was to rescue the lady. That is no reason not to try in the first place.
Keith Sansum1
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15 October 2010
09:2475088Barryw n the main i agree and support you in this
My only concern would be that the American or any army come to that try to cover up what may have happened.
best way as far as possible is to be up front and honest if an error was made.
The family deserve the truth
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 October 2010
09:3575089keith
the americans have been remarkably honest about the incident, they could easily have said that the kidnappers had done the deed.
