Letter from a Reader about Western Heights.
- 13 July 2012 21:58182753That should read: 4,000 new jobs.
Paul S, I'm trying to get to the fundamentals of the Core Strategy, what it is based upon, what it assumes, and how it has proven dismally wrong!
The original idea to build more than 6,000 houses on Western Heights and at Farthingloe is documented, and what CGI propose is the first phase of this.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 July 2012 22:04182755"The core strategy is based on wrong predictions"
Your amazing Google skills looking at a document from 2008 !Been nice knowing you :) - 13 July 2012 22:05182756Economies have peaks and troughs, you still need to plan for the future.....Been nice knowing you :)
- 13 July 2012 22:30182759Just actually read your posting
"6,000 houses on Western Heights and at Farthingloe" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIX THOUSAND on the Heights and Farthingloe - you are truely on cloud cuckoo-land !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Been nice knowing you :) - 13 July 2012 22:39182761To add you are posting about this document which dates from 2008 and is a 20 year plan and refers to 6,000 home as one option for the WHOLE DISTRICT
http://www.dover.gov.uk/pdf/Doverexhibition.pdfBeen nice knowing you :) - 14 July 2012 00:34182767Paul, I copied and pasted the phrase directly from the homes and property website, that clearly reads 6,000 homes for Western Heights and Farthingloe, printed in August 2010.
This one may suppose is the original intention, and somewhere in the DDC core strategy consultation I read that 14,000 homes were recommended to be built in and around Dover, or possibly Dover District, of which 10,000 on Green Land.
I assume the present CGI proposal for about 700 homes on the Heights area, including Farthingloe, is step one of a long-term strategy to build 6,000.
That's why I copied and pasted the phrase in the previous post, so you wouldn't claim I invented it.
You can check it out on the Web under the link address I provided.
The points I mentioned in the later reference to the DDC core strategy, prove that at the time it was being developed, DDC Government was touting that Dover had a low unemployment rate and employment in abundance, with 4,000 new jobs expected over the next few years (starting from then in 2008!).
There was also mention of Pfizer expanding. Which I included in the post.
Since then, Dover has seen nightmarish unemployment on the increase, Pfizer closing down, and a general recession spreading all over most of Europe and Britain.
Seafrance went bankrupt, and the Government decided to cut Council budgets by 40%, and general spending cuts have been introduced, and the progressive lay-off of about 700,000 public employees.
I dare say the banks also went bankrupt since then, more or less in the same year.
Since the DDC core strategy was developed, dear Paul, things have changed dramatically!
Who is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land now then?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 July 2012 00:44182768When DDC risked losing a heap of money in Iceland, that was due to over-enthusiastic "planning". That same over-enthusiastic "planning" is the whole blue-print of their core strategy.
This is one of the basic founding points in my case which I am building up against the DDC core-strategy, and the homes and property link proves that Western Heights and Farthigloe have been at the centre of ongoing talks between one or more companies, including CGI (or China Gateway as they were originally known) and this Priory Land company or whatever it is/was called - can't remember now, and DDC.
It is the only conclusion I can come to, as otherwise how could this Priory whatever it's called company have already promised they would start building over 400 houses on Western Heights in 2010, if they hadn't had the tacit approval of DDC Planning?
Perhaps it was English Heritage who prevented it, something must have come up and put a spanner in the plans.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 July 2012 07:36182769That isn't what this says if you actually READ the page you are refererring too
"More than 6,000 new homes are in the planning pipeline. The two key sites are the 25-acre Western Heights, an elevated strip of land with some of Britain's most impressive coastal fortifications, and the 275-acre Farthingloe Village, a new settlement that will include a country park"
http://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property_news/smart_moves_and_new_homes/kentshighspeedtrainsandcoastalhomes.html
You really are making yourself look stupid
Been nice knowing you :) - Keith Sansum1
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14 July 2012 10:59182815its all in the reading paul scotchie, lol if you read it lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 July 2012 13:37182832Paul, the phrase you pasted is exactly the same as the one I pasted.
With the same quotation commas in place!
As Keith says, it's in the reading. It has the term "the two key sites", which evidently are the two key sites to the 6,000 houses. These two key sites are W.H. and Farthingloe, as the phrase states.
So it would seem that these two areas had been ear-marked for thousands of houses.
What DDC have NOT stated during the public consultation in 2012, is that in the future there would be no further development of houses on W.H and Farthingloe if the CGI proposals were to go through.
For this reason, if the CGI proposal went ahead and were approved, we could expect to see more progressive house-building in these two areas in the future.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 July 2012 14:54182854How can you say "the CGI proposal went ahead and were approved" ?
Roger - 14 July 2012 16:30182868Forgive me but posting #1161 by YOU says:
"The original idea to build more than 6,000 houses on Western Heights and at Farthingloe is documented, and what CGI propose is the first phase of this." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also you are quoting a commercial website, nothing official....Been nice knowing you :) - 14 July 2012 17:45182879Because, Roger, what I said is, if DDC approve the CGI proposals and these go ahead with the building - this being the evident meaning of my words- we would see phase 1 of a development projects on the Heights including Farthingloe.
There is no statement or any planning strategy on the part of DDC that there would be no other phases of urban development in these areas.
This has already been brought up in the thread, and the answers I received confirm this.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 July 2012 17:46182880the feedback i am getting from people is that maxton residents are very against any development at farthingloe.
the problem is that the planning application is so lengthy that few can be bothered to read through it, therefore someone that has read most or all of it expounds it to the next person then a game of chinese whispers takes hold. - Keith Sansum1
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14 July 2012 23:08182912doesnt appear to be a groundswell of people in maxton or western heights opposing the developmentALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 15 July 2012 06:10182926I had someone email me asking for information about it, which I gave them of course, but I didn't put any bias on it, one way or the other and they thanked me for it and said they thought it a good idea if done well.
Roger - 15 July 2012 07:41182930Roger, (#1176) did you tell your constituents that the proposed developments fail on the sustainable objectives outlined in the Local Development Framework (LDF)?
In earlier postings, I have listed such failures as the provision of schools, medical services and ... of course, the lack of a Community Hospital.
LDF-DM 1 states that development will not be permitted on land outside the urban boundaries. While, LDF-DM 11 states that development that would generate travel will not be permitted outside the urban boundaries and rural settlement confines unless justified by development plan policies. Both the Farthingloe and the Western Heights are outside of the urban boundaries (Appeals APP/X2220/A03/1112995 and1113152) and the development of either has NOT been justified in the LDF.
A development consisting of a total of 705 residential units, 130 bed hotel and 150-person conference centre is going to create a lot of traffic. Appreciating that CGI, in their transport documents have given credence to public transport, cycling and walking, but with the topography of both sites, it is to be expected that the residents will make most journeys by car and therefore the developments are unsustainable and against both LDF DM1 and LDF DM11.
Further, CGI-TA p22 para 4.2.6, states that the company expects that most occupants will be working in the Port or Dover or the town centre. Even if this were to be the case, the topography, as stated above, would preclude proposed residents using sustainable forms of transport.
Of note, CGI company documents put a different focus on where the proposed residents will work, namely LONDON. This is hardly surprising as there is a shortage of 'graduate' jobs in the area and as the KCC Index of multi-deprivation shows; Dover District is 4th from bottom most deprived area in Kent.
Unemployment stands at 13%, with 21.6% of children in poverty. As the residents are likely to be working in London they will no doubt use the high-speed train - but NOT from Dover. Notwithstanding the lack of parking facilities at Dover Priory station, the topography will favour the use of the A20 to Folkestone West or Ashford International and from there the train to London.
Again, this will defeat the sustainability directive.
Lorraine - Keith Sansum1
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15 July 2012 08:25182933im sure if roger told the constituent all that he/she would have said
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"what" lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 15 July 2012 12:30182957Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour - 15 July 2012 18:05183000It may come as a surprise to you Keith #1178, but there are still a lot of very bright people left in Dover, who do wish to know the details.
One of Dover's major problems is that our 'elite' - of which up until recently you, Keith, belonged - have a very poor opinion of the rest of us and show it much in the same way as you have above.
Lorraine