Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Wondered when that would become public - perhaps English Heritage will put their money where their mouth is and actually do something to protect the heritage (that is on their own at risk register) but that is very unlikely
An opportunity lost here I feel....
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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well now we know what english heritage don't want but not what they do want.
landlords can face prosecution for neglecting their property especially when it becomes a danger to the public.
surely e.h are culpable here?
SWWood- Location: Dover
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I assume that the WH development would be unlikely to proceed without EH backing, but could the Heights still recieve funding as a result of the Fathingloe part of the development proceeding?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Unlikely I'd imagine as the two sites being linked into one project is the reason why money would be spent on heritage rather than affordable homes, so if the Heights part is dropped their won't be any link
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Interesting that the press release comes from Lorraine via these people but is not on the EH website as far as I can see.
http://www.craftpegg.com/page29.html
I agreee with Howard that English Heritage need to be brought to task on why they have neglected their part of the site for so long when they look after other similar sites very well (as I posted way back on this thread with a pic of Tilbury Fort). I was one of the founding committee of Friends of Dover Castle - we organised a trip to the Drop Redoubt for members in the first year and I remember the then manager of Dover Castle telling us what plans they had for it, none of which have happened in what must be 25 years now.
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It has been requested that I remove personal details from Post 1080
this I have now done.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The press release via John Pegg of the War Memorial plans fame...
WHPS are in the process of looking at enhancing our agreement with English Heritage so that we can plan a bit more in advance (we are currently very short term) and this in turn would open up some more funding opportunities.
We will still however be very limited what we can do with a small amount of income and an already overworked group of volunteers.
Major funds are still needed to make a real difference and at that point it would need to be a body with employees as it really is a full time project !
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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I would be interested to know what EH mean by "substantial damage". What greater damage can they do as opposed to the many years of neglect and diverting funds away from the heights to the castle which already shows a healthy operating profit.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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I was wondering when the EH submission would become public. I note that they do not object to the hotel and conference centre and would help develop that in an advisory capacity. They propose no means or method of saving these amazing fortifications from deterioration though. Perhaps EH members should lobby the organisation and try to force it to look after the heritage that it owns on the Western Heights properly. WHPS does a great job, but their work will not save this area and keep it accessible for tourists, neither do they have the funding required to refurbish the Drop Redoubt to a standard where it can be a tourist attraction.
I am not seeing any meaningful campaign going on from the anti-developers to save the heights and their heritage for us, for the nation or for future generations.
The question must surely be;
How do we preserve the Heights and their Heritage from the ravages of time as a significant ancient monument which has the capacity and access required to allow visitors to come and enjoy it, learn from it and contribute to its continued preservation?
CGI have come up with one answer that they think delivers profit for them and preserves most of the heritage for the nation in return.
If one is against the CGI plans (in whole or in part), then surely it is necessary to come up with a different answer to the same question?
I'm up to my a***e in alligators at the moment, so don't have a different answer myself, but there is a great deal of interest, and many interested parties, in this subject. All posters, bar one, on this thread so far seem to share a common final objective for the Heights - that the Built Heritage should be preserved/restored/saved for the nation and for future generations to visit and enjoy - With such a strong objection to most of the CGI plans lodged by EH, perhaps they should be called to account and explain why they have so long neglected this SAM and lay out a clear, timetabled, costed and financed plan for its restoration and opening (no doubt for the summer only) to the public.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I find it sad that the door is slammed on an opportunity rather than working with it provide an outcome that is of benefit to everyone, including the heritage, residents and the town as a whole
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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Hopefully this process has increased awareness of what we have on WH, which must be a good thing. With a bit of luck with the weather, this will lead to a big turnout for the open weekend.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, if we started giving away all our green areas now for wealthy Londoners to live in villas, what land would be left for our children to live on and to enjoy in 20-30 years time?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The English Heritage press release makes me wonder whether CGI's claims that they are working closely with EH are founded.
Of-course CGI are trying to market their product, but trying to make people believe they are working closely with English Heritage may be misleading, and this should be made known to DDC Planning, whoever wishes to send in a representation of objection to them. Remember the reference code DOV/12/00440
English Heritage are experts in matters of preserving our Heritage, they know what they are saying, and we must not be misled by CGI claims that may imply they are working with English Heritage.
Don't forget Red Riding Hood and the wolf which dressed up with a red hood!
After all the wolf was hungry and wanted all the pies.
Brian Dixon
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alex,a 2 up 2 down is hardly a villa is it now.and besides all houses now are dog kennel size and no room to swing a cat [of nine tails].
Guest 685- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Yesterday morning my husband, Alan, was assaulted and knocked to the ground while walking along Frith Road - I hasten to say that this was nothing to do with Western Heights & Farthingloe.
Nonetheless, he was physically hurt.
It is a very short walk from personally attacking people to physically attacking them. Sadly, it is a way of life in Dover. Over the years we have had £15,000 of damage (2002 prices) done to our house; paint stripper poured over our car on another occasion expletives - spelt incorrectly - scratched across the bonnet and possibly enough legal threats from council (DDC/DTC) officials and former council officials to paper a wall of a room.
These have stemmed from my support 'unpopular' from the main stream causes ... from saving environmentally protected sites, to unique Roman Archaeological remains, from objecting over use of public money for a crony / nepotistic cause to fighting for and winning a Community Hospital.
On the Dover Forum, those who are against the proposed CGI development amount to three - Lara, Alexander and I and all three of us have been subject to personal attack on the Forum. Therefore, you can imagine what people said when they heard that Alan had been attacked - I quickly put them right.
Albeit, I have asked before, on this site, for those who are pro the CGI development to keep their discussions within that framework and not let their emotions spill over to personal attacks.
Lorraine
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Sorry to hear that Lorraine. Hope your husband Alan makes a swift recovery. Yes its always important not to get too carried away here on the forum. Guys are passionate of course but hopefully are always within boundaries.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Sorry to hear about Alan, Lorraine. Far too many people don't recognise that we can hold widely different opinions without it ever having to be personal.
Differences of viewpoint should lead to healthy debate not antagonism.
Hope Alan has a speedy recovery.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Wow, sorry to hear that - hope Alan is O.K. he must be shocked too. He always looks too fit to be attacked - like he'd fight or chase them off.
Give him my best wishes.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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best wishes for a speedy recovery for alan, thankfully that sort of thing is very rare in dover.
Ross Miller
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Sorry to hear about your husband - I wish him a speedy recovery
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