Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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more like drival.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
come on chaps/chapesses, let's not get into abuse - quite a serious topic.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
no abuse from me howie,just commenting as i see it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Drivel isn't a fair word to use to describe Lorraine's two articles in the Dover Mercury.
She explains that, once a protected area as W.H. or Farthingloe receives from the local Council an allocation for a building project, it is very hard later on for the Council to maintain the sites special status.
The example she gives is that, at Farthingloe, temporary permission was given by he Council for the huts destined for the Chanel Tunnel workers.
When the work was done, and the huts cleared, a legal challenge was made, and the area was designated for building use, when originally it was supposed to return to nature as it had been.
This is now part of the area where CGI want to develop!
And the point is, once DDC allocate a building permission on these protected areas, it will be so much harder in the future to prevent further developments, so we could see large extensions to the present proposals, if they went ahead.
But by then it would be too late!
And many people are not aware of this either.
Lorraine is campaigning to save a natural outstanding beauty area at Farthingloe, and a Scheduled Monument at Western Heights.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
alex,you have missed the point again.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Alex the area of Farthingloe in consideration has all had planning permissions approved in the recent past so there is nowhere on the plans for that area that have not already been considered for development. They have also had objections previously considered.
On the Western Heights I am firmly in favour of getting the Drop Redoubt restored and made accessible to visitors and also firmly in favour of creating jobs in Dover. By that I mean permanent jobs and not just the short term building jobs available on building sites. The plans for the Western Heights end of this development offer the possibility of both and therefore deserve to be properly considered and this can only be done by giving the whole of the plans careful consideration.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
- Posts: 261
With regards to Lorraine Sencicle's article in the Mercury, it is impossible to consider that story as anything other than one-sided. There is nothing in it from the developers to explain their plans. In reality, the Mercury has run a piece simply allowing one of their columnists to air their opinion, and nothing more. My problem with this article is that Lorraine claims to be campaigning to protect the Western Heights, yet at no stage gives any alternative ideas of how to actually do it. As has been said over and over again, doing nothing is one way to guarantee the loss of the heritage on WH. Future generations will rightly condemn us if we allow that to happen.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Stuart, having read your post, a question occurred to me:
The CGI proposals have been evident for the last 10 days.
Does anyone know what they have offered in cash to finance Western Heights ex-military sites in return for a building permission?
Would be interesting to get a reply on this, if anyone's got an answer.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i didn't get the mercury this week so missed the article from lorraine, hopefully she will reproduce it here.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alexander, it is very clear that you haven't read the planning documentation from CGI and don't want to !!
You'll find many answers to your questions in there about what is proposed.......
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Now how about changing the slander about the Western Heights Preservation Society 'campaigning' as I can see now comments from them anywhere ??
"Dover District Council (DDC), China Gateway International (CGI) and the Western Heights Preservation Society (WHPS) are currently campaigning for the sale of large areas of Western Heights and neighbouring Farthingloe to developers"
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Unfortunately these 'Crown Jewels' are dumped in an alleyway in Peckham and the development is helping with the taxi fare back to the Tower ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I know Lorraine is very busy lately preparing documentations, last heard from her yesterday by mail.
I would have offered to type the article out on here, providing it's not against copyright laws. But it's actually the current edition, still on sale, so perhaps there are restrictions.
It's certainly worth a read, as the article got big coverage on page 3, with an extension to page 10 near the letters column. The last part, on page 10, contains extraordinary information that Lorraine discovered in the CGI proposals.
I'm surprised Paul or Chris haven't come out with it, or are they hiding something?
Shame you missed it, Howard. You've still got till Wednesday to get a copy. Read the last part, and you'll see.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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The last time I visited Dozmery Pool, which does have direct Arthurian links and is rumoured to be the resting place of Excaliber, there were a herd of cows standing in it.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Oh! Alright Paul, hadn't seen your post, it came out as I was still typing.
But try p. 10 too! That's where the clue lies.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Look at these nasty, evil people all conspiring to sell off the Heights as they give up their Sunday to prepare the Redoubt for the public to enjoy in a month's time.
Can't see it? Neither can I.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Great photos, Phil. But the clue lies in page 10 of the Dover Mercury.
It concerns CGI's proposals. Hope you read them!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The end of page 10 says.
"It is this site that CGI wish to build a combination of housing - for starters. In their company report, they make no bones about the fact that in the long run they intend to develop most of the south side of Farthingloe Valley for housing"
Show some proof!!! If they are they still need to purchase the land and go through planning. How does that affect the current plans?
IT DOESN'T !!
I intend to win the lottery and retire to somewhere warm and with less people on their own soapboxes.......
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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On the letters page Lorraine does indeed speculate that CGI's desire for further development (on land they do not at present own) is something to be to taken into account. It is not, it is not in the current plans on offer and is therefore irrelevant to the present discussion. If you are going to speculate in this way you can also speculate that once built and sold, the 'executive' residents of the new development are just as likely to join you in objecting to further development around the views they have paid for.
Speculation, or ambitions, are not a "clue" to anything, they are just speculations and with the plans on offer now you have to deal with facts.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Paul if we can both win the lottery I would be very happy to split this one with you.
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/james-island-bc.htmPolitics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
