Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Here's another one from the DDC website:
"Walking and Cycling
The Iconic White Cliffs of Dover
We are lucky to have the most beautiful stretch of coastline in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as voted by the nation. Dover's iconic White Cliffs were a clear winner with 22% of the votes cast.
Explore walking and cycling up on top of the famous White Cliffs with its dramatic views of the Channel, Coast and Countryside. There are six Circular Walks ranging from 1 mile to 6 miles starting at either the National Trust Visitor Centre or the extensive fortifications at Dover's Western Heights."
Yes, let's keep to the facts, please, folks!
Brian Dixon
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must be getting desperate now to drag all this nonsense up,for gods sake its only a small develoment and not an extencsive one of lets say 40,000 acres of green belt land.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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From
www.visitkent.co.uk/ Western Heights Local Nature Reserve
"Western Heights - Local Nature Reserve
Western Heights Local Nature Reserve and Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB) surround the extensive fortifications dating from the earthworks 1779, 1804-1815 fortifications and from the 1850's. There are fine views over the English Channel, Dover Castle and the White Cliffs of Dover. Access via South Military Road (A20 Western Heights roundabout) or via Cowgate steps along the North Downs. Discover the history and wildlife of the site on three waymarked walking routes, contained in a free colour leaflet. Good place to see chalk downland wildflowers and wildlife."
According to this page, again the White Cliffs of Dover in reference to Western Heights, as well as the Castle.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, when we start being told that the White Cliffs do not include Farthingloe and Western Heights, it becomes of concern.
Also, these proposed houses have sea views, so where do they stand, if not on cliffs overlooking the sea?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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From Visit Kent website
Kent County Council
Invicta House
County Hall
Maidstone
"The White Cliffs of Dover are world famous and stretch from Kingsdown for 8 miles to
Dover, then a further 8 miles from Dover to Folkestone."
"The white cliffs are protected as two stretches of Heritage Coast,
which form an important part of the Kent Downs Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. "
"Dover's Western Heights were built to defend England against invasion by Napoleon, and are now surrounded by a local nature reserve with magnificent views over the town & port of Dover."
I suppose 8 miles from Dover to Folkestone includes Farthingloe.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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The clue to the White Cliffs of Dover is in the word "Cliffs", so the cliffs and direct views thereof. The whole of Dover and the surrounding countryside is on a chalk base, including my garden and if a team of volunteers want to maintain that I will make the coffee.
Why is it Alex, the more evocative your language becomes the less of an argument you appear to be presenting. I am waiting for the one where your little group are the only ones between a green Britannia and rampaging hoards of Saxons, Norsemen, Romans, Frenchmen, Danes, Nazis, Afghans, Zulus and bankers.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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good grief alex i give up on you,as ive said along with others its only a small developement at the western hieghts and not a majour one,.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Clutching at straws springs to mind....
Alexander - I hope you realise we are try to HELP you here?
As sensible and well researched 'opposition' to the plans can only help guide everyone toward the best solution to the current proposal. We all need to have this opposition but your current method of trying to drag up endless nonsense really isn't doing any favours to your cause
PS why the reluctance to post your letter to the Israel Bank - is there something you don't want us to see ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul Scotchie, the plan you showed does not include the proposed hotel and the proposed conference centre, which are further away, and are planned as two separate buildings, requiring much space too.
I discovered another inconsistency on the CGI plans.
They come under Western Heights and Farthingloe regeneration.
This is not regeneration. Under any circumstance. Urban extension into the countryside cannot be considered regeneration.
Having done some research on DDC plans, I've come across an interesting factor, and believe that this present development scheme is not unto itself, but would be step 1 to further urban developments on W.H. and Farthingloe.
I will inform the members of the W.H. group on my findings.
As previously stated by me, CGI might have limited their plans to those which they've presented, it does not mean that DDC have! They could easily contract another developer in the future to continue the urbanisation of these two areas.
As for Chris' post, it clearly contradicts that which I have pasted from the aforementioned websites, which mention W.H as part of the White Cliffs of Dover.
I dare say you all will have read the references in these above extracts to protected area and natural reserve.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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As for my letter to the Israel Discount Bank, it followed a previous one to English Heritage. Paul, why not ask me to publish the one to English Heritage?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
each planning application is judged on its merits, if the cgi one is passed it doesn't necessarily mean others will.
the connection of the western heights to the white cliffs is basically over the marketing of the whole area as white cliffs country.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In fact, Howard.
The point I'm making is, CGI have a project.
DDC may have more projects in the future to further develop W.H. and Farthingloe, with other developers.
Here is one question: Has DDC stated officially that there will be no other developments of houses and buildings in general on Western Heights and at Farthingloe?
Once they manage to override the protected status of these areas, the road is open for them to continue in the future developing there.
Not only CGI, but DDC also use the term "regeneration" for building on these two areas. It's on their website.
This should set alarm bells ringing.
Hopefully enough people will see behind it all and find the right ways to contest these plans of DDC.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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have a few questions on what i have read so far.
1) has great farthingloe farm been sold to c.g.i or are the plans based on the assumption that a sale will go through once plans are approved?
2) what were the victoria halls when they were at home?
3) health facility covers a multitude of sins i.e. doctor's surgery, fitness centre, tanning shop etc, this needs to be clarified.
4) conversion of the thatched barn to pub/restaurant - hope the features there will be preserved.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes Alexander there are no other plans for developments on the Heights or Farthingloe other than the ones proposed plus the war memorial. The current plans all all on land owned by CGI with the exception of the hotel site which I believe is all DDC land
Re your questions Howard
1 - as above CGI own Farthingloe land and most of that on the Heights
2 - Victoria Hall was built as an "Educational Establishment and Married Quarters" and later the prison officers club
3 ?
4 - It is a listed building so will have to be sensitive to the building
#650 - yes please Alexander post your letters to both EH and Israel bank
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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At the moment there are no other plans, perhaps, Paul, but that does not answer my question whether DDC have stated officially that there will be no further developments in the future on Western Heights and at Farthingloe.
I believe this question is essential, obvious, and am surprised there is no better answer to it!
What guarantee do DDC supply that the mentioned protected areas would be protected from further development? Would be interesting if this question could be answered, as it is the most obvious one to anyone even attempting to consider your proposals for development, Paul.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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As for my two letters, Paul, I already posted them, to the recipients.
They are not public domain.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Any new projects will not be started by DDC, they are the LPA and will consider any planning application on its merits - planning applications are worked on by developers, not DDC. So it is an unnecessary question to ask DDC.
Roger
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Surely the area where the memorial is planned is the site of the old barracks demolished by the council in the fifties, and it could therefore be argued that it's a brownfield site?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes it is Peter, there is very little left of the barracks and not really of much archaeological value. Anything earlier will have been wiped out by the contstruction of the barracks
Alexander - surely posting your letters will only help other people know what to write if they also write to the bodies themself? They might not have thought of all the points you have made so it surely being in the public domain will help your cause ???
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I'm nearly through the reading of all the documentation and have very square eyes !!
I have a fair amount of (personal) feedback that I will happily make public once I have finished reading. I also plan to visit some of the areas over the next week as it is difficult to visualise exactly what is proposed without being on the ground.
My feedback is likely to be both positive, negative and some areas with no real opinion.
I will take my views back to the committee of the Western Heights Preservation Society and as a group will submit our own official response which will also be made public as we are an open charitable body.
Been nice knowing you :)