Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Worst hit is Farthingloe, Howard. It would appear the entrance to the proposed new settlement would be from Folkestone Road, somewhere opposite Farthingloe Farm.
Farthingloe would be lost to the Green Belt.
On Western Heights, the project would hit Braddon mostly, with houses, flats, a retirement care home and retirement extra care flats going up.
However, looking at the developers plan for Western Heights, there is a whole planned area which seems to be many times the size of Braddon, pact with roads and houses, and at present I can't figure out if it is neighbouring Farthingloe, or part of the W.H. plan.
If it is the latter, it seems to be an area looking over the sea, right over the White Cliffs of Dover. It seems to be an area that would reap in huge sums of money to the developer, as the cost of these houses would go in the hundreds of thousands each.
Clearly, the sea view is what the developer is offering, and will charge huge sums for the houses.
It has dawned on me that the whole project on W. H. and Farthingloe, if built and sold, will fetch something between 300 and 400 million pounds, calculating 900 houses, and not counting the hotel and conference centre.
My guess is, the area will assume the traffic conditions of a Barton Road or a Folkestone Road.
So what green areas are left, will be heavily subject to intense traffic.
This is a catastrophe in the making!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes Chris, Roger did state the other day that the treasures under DTIZ should be left where they are. It goes to show who really is interested in the historical importance of Dover, and who is interested in urbanisation with no regard to the historical heritage.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alexander there are SO MANY glaring errors in your comments that I think you should lock yourself away somewhere and read the documentation, you really aren't doing your 'cause' any favours....
For a start:
You will find that the total number of properties proposed is around 700 not 900 as you say
You will find that there is not a retirement home or residential flats proposed on the Heights
Your calculations say that each property will cost a average of £450,000 !!!
How can you say if you don't know if the Western Heights sites are neighbouring the Farthingloe site? There is about a mile between the two !!
Funny how you comment about the 'Village of Braddon' when although the name is there there is absolute no historical evidence on the size of the population so how you can say the new developments are so much bigger !!
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander, all sites of archaeological value (where ever they are) are checked out and left in situ. It has nothing to do with not being interested at all.
There's lots of Roman ruins between the Discovery Centre and the RPH - most left underground; they know what's there and where it is safe.
Roger
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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The majority of the Farthingloe site are the former Channel Tunnel workers camp i.e. brown field site, hence the existing road access.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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farthingloe is not really the big deal as far as i can see, the heritage part is mainly around st martin's, drop redoubt and grand shaft.
i cannot see a problem with development at farthingloe.
Jan Higgins
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Paul, that is why I have never really understood the Farthingloe objections.
Howard, agreed
to both of you.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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From my reading so far I have found little detriment to the heritage on the Heights, so far amounting to the ww2 air raid shelter that is beneath where the hotel would be, however this is already collapsed so won't be much of a loss.
There is likely to be little in the way of archaeology on the top where the houses are proposed as the hill would have been 'scalped' during the construction of the parade areas and to clear the lines of site. Similarly the Grand Shaft Barrack would have more or less wiped out anything earlier and now only minimal remains of the barracks exist.
The compensating saving of the heritage seems well worth considering this proposal
Farthingloe I have no issues at all with really, it is largely brown field and eventually the town will naturally expand in that direction like it has done for the last several hundred years. I also cannot see the majority of the people in Dover being that bothered with it as it isn't 'in their back yard' !!
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul Scotchie, I haven't estimated an average of £450.000 per house on a 900 unit calculation, but something between £270,000 and £360,000.
If the plan suggests now 700 houses, that could still be somewhere around £300 million in commercial value once sold.
On the plan of Western Heights that I have received at Braddon, there is something that needs explaining, I cannot figure it out at the moment. The location of the areas are not indicated, and the more this goes on, the less good it looks for you!
It looks like important areas of the Heights directly above the sea are included in the development plan.
The same goes for Farthingloe too.
When referring to the village of Braddon, I'm referring to the one that is there now and is populated.
As said, the areas of Farthingloe and Western Heights are being put up for speculation, the developer will reap in huge gains from the panorama if it goes ahead, and there do not seem to be that many people in Dover actually supporting this development plan.
Our aim is to get the word out, to do it now, and to make people aware what is being planned. The White Cliffs of Dover are up for sale, the Western part, and before long, we can assume, the Eastern part will also go to developers too.
DDC are planning to sell off our Heritage, Britain's Heritage, and there are hundreds of millions of pounds in the planned 700 houses alone, if they are built, not to mention the proposed hotel and conference centre.
This is the White Cliffs of Dover we are talking about, and on the plans, I cannot see any reference to sea views, which the CGI developers seem to have obscured from the plans they are distributing to the public at large.
Hence my words: the plans need explaining, the developers are hiding back the facts that the sea view is what they are aiming at to maximise their profits.
This Paul, has NOTHING to do with attracting tourism!
This was also one point made at the meeting, that tourism has nothing to do with it, but sheer hard-core speculation!
The more Alexander posts about this , the more I support the plans to develop the site
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I also utterly refute Paul Watkin's claim that the proposed site on Farthingloe is a brown-field site. It isn't!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
as you have not read the plans thoroughly i can assure you that the white cliffs are not up for sale.
let's keep to established facts please.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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ALEXANDER READ THE DOCUMENTS IN THE ON THE DDC PLANNING PORTAL YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING !!!!!!!!
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#632 - Alexander and Facts... hmmmm !!!!
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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This areas is the proposed Farthingloe development, the 1/2 to the right was the site of the old Eurotunnel workers buildings, which was levelled and access roads installed. Hence the brown field comment
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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These are the areas on the Heights proposed for development
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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had a rather pleasant walk to ropewalk field this morning, nothing dramatic on the path but very pleasant all the same.
the drama is reserved for the sight of the shakespeare cliff.
none of this appears on the development plans.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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By the way Alexander, any luck finding your letter to Israel Bank ? I am really intrigued to know what arguments you put forward. Anything that can help your cause I am sure it would be good to share with the public.....
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SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
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I find it quite sad that it seems to be impossible to debate such an important issue based on the facts alone. There are obviously good arguments to be made, both in support of and against the development, but to read posts talking of building on Connaught Park, Pencester Gardens and Langdon Cliffs "all the way to St. Margret's lighthouse" is pretty pitiful. It does nothing to move the discussion forward. For my part, I see no problem with the Farthingloe development, and the proposals for the Western Heights are nowhere near as substantial I had imagined. If this development were to lead to greater conservation of the WH heritage, with the potential of increased tourism that that could bring (especially with the proposed War Memorial), that must be a good thing. It may just help bring an end to decades of decline in this town. That said, I can understand why there are genuine concerns about these developments, as I share many of them
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Just a reminder that the areas proposed for urbanisation are part of the White Cliffs of Dover.
Here is an extract from the website white cliffs country, published by none other than DDC:
"What a White Cliffs Greeter can do
Provide a two to four hour visit to your chosen area for up to six people.
Make you aware of interesting facts and show you sites you may not have found on your own.
Explain public transport.
Meet you regardless of the weather
Enlighten you about White Cliffs Country's rich historical and cultural heritage."
On this site, there is a whole page dedicated to Western Heights.
It starts with:
"The Western Heights"
Obviously, DDC considers these Heights as White Cliff Country.
Howard, over to you!
