Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#285 "Paul, I must have written tens of times that this Port Toll should be for all British commercial ports"
Not the Channel Tunnel or airports then ?
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Chris- Forum Admin
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:again this is all about personalities not the issue which is very important to dover district.
Exactly, thanks Howard.
It would be good to keep this discussion about the port - it's a big (and complicated) topic and everyone's going to have their own views and ideas to put forward (which is, after all, the whole point of a discussion forum).
Keith Sansum1
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Let me go back to the thread, we realy do need to all be united in getting over the first hurdle of making sure the govt doesn't give D.H.B its way.
Other issues although they should be worked up ready to be put in place, surely the scrutiny of EVERY representation that wants to change things, and attempt to do a little more than just pie in the sky views is the way forward.
For me i'm waiting for the govt decision, then i can give some thought to any future plans(as at the moment the govt could still go the route of D.H.B.)
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Keith - thats all good but certain people just want to be 'anti' anything just to stand out
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think as long as the people's port does it's job and convinces people whatever one indivual says on here it wont change that.
It Is frustrating at times
but best to keep up the gd fight the rest will fall into place maybe
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Jan Higgins
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To be honest I doubt there is a single person on this thread apart from Neil that has any influence at all on the decision making, so we are all wasting our breath.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Wow jan, sorry can't agree there.
Whilst Neil may have some strong views, public opinion goes a long way
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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But Neil is the only one whose group have a financial interest and at this late stage I doubt what we type here will be read by anyone who will eventually (if ever
) make the decision about the port's future.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan;
Far be it for a pleb like me to disagree, but your are correct neil has an interest in the outcome
and that could be the case whatever the outcome.
The forum does have a role to play.
Only by it being highlighted on this forum have we seen a good feedback from people both with information on what there views are.
But also seeing a large number putting in objections to the D.H.B. plans to central govt.
So the forun does have a role to play
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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They are just looking for their own employees stepping out of line. Re #300.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they can look in without joining as you know peter, should one of the employees have something to say on the situation they can always contact chris, he may decide to accept a shortened version of their name for the period up to the sale.
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Neil is the main spokesman for DPPT. I get wheeled out in front of the cameras from time to time but, as chairman, it is Neil to whom the media and the decision makers listen. Nothing written on here is likely to change the outcome one jot. However the forum provides a valuable chance for Neil and I and our fellow directors to get a feel for what the community are thinking, also to provide information and feedback to the community and to counter some of the disinformation which appears.
For the record, none of the directors of DPPT have a financial interest in the process except the commitment of our time and limited personal financial resources to the project. There are no rewards at the end except that of seeing the Port in the right hands.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith, I think you have missed this pleb's point
. I meant we can put our point of view to each other as much as we like but the Minister and his decision makers are most probably not going to be reading this forum at this late stage in the proceedings.
Re #300 If the Port joined months ago but have not logged in or posted how come they are still members? I thought logging in and posting was critical to remaining a member. (confused smiley)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul S, regards your post 301, the Channel Tunnel has been mentioned by me in my representations to the DfT to be included in the Port Toll revenue system, which would benefit Shepway as much as the Port of Dover would benefit Dover District. As stated many times, such a Toll is intended as the equivalent of a road toll, but with revenues being shared between the Treasury and local communities.
This is important in order to enable localism on an economic scale, and considering the approximately 40% reduction in Council budgets that is being implemented over a four year period starting from 2011, it is possibly something that makes sense to Government legislators.
Such a decision on the part of the Government would herald the beginning of local economic revival, starting with communities who have a commercial port or the equivalent (for example Channel Tunnel).
However, it's important to recognise that this would equally enable these communities - be they towns, districts or cities - to financially contribute to the development of their commercial ports. as the revenues involved would be sufficiently substantial for this to be possible.
There is to date no indication that this proposal has been turned down by the Government.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I have said before Alexander - if your representation is so impressive and all encompassing then why not post it in full on here so everyone can see it and fully appreciate it??
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i must be getting premonitions because i seem to know what the last post would be before it appeared.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Simple request, same at the one for the Heights to English Heritage.
If it is in the public interest and stuff that would be useful if others can share it then why not if it helps build up a case? More people with the same views is better than one maverick view ?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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paul
the number of views on this have dropped considerably because of the same questions being asked.
i must have asked over a thousand questions that have been unanswered on here over the years, it is the nature of a forum that people can post their views without facing inquisition.
there are many other threads here that just evolve rather than stagnate like this one.
i blame the person that started it.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bit like the political ones that go "cobbled this" and "cobbled that", blah blah blah ??
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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I fell for it- like a number of others! Howard there is nothing quite like a bout of self criticism!
Never give up...