howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
makes grim reading, now the highest for 17 years.
2.64 million the equivalent to 8.3% of the workforce unemployed.
the trend is ever higher with loads more pubic sector jobs to go.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Is the number higher or is the percentage ?
If the population is increasing then the number unemployed is a certainty ?
Been nice knowing you :)
Jan Higgins
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- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#3
Especially with the older generation not being able to retire early and EU immigrants taking the low paid jobs.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
both figures are higher.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#5
so much for the private sector taking up the slack,[private sector now holding off recruting untill things start to pick up.]
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
i think that statement will come back to haunt them brian, much the same as "we are all in it together".
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#7
The job loss situation is very bad indeed..with job opportunities for women and younger people falling off a cliff. This situation was brought up by Ed Miliband today at PMQ because every time figures are released they show the situation getting worse. Cameron promised he would match all these public sector job losses with new ones created in the private sector, but the equasion is well out of sync. For example the DVLA are shedding something like 1,250 jobs. The government are doing this by centralising operations. Probably a fair move, if anyone losing a job can ever be described as fair, but probably a good move in times of plenty.
But...where are all these DVLA people to get jobs now with the economy being the way it is?
This is just casting people onto the dole with little prospect of re-employment.
Cuts are one thing, but no prospect of re-employment just leaves these same people previously employed now claiming benefits. So its just the same level of economic negativity but just moved around on the HMG draughtboard.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#8
thats for sure,things are gettig dire.
soon there will be more people on the dole claiming benifits etc than people working.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
cannot disagree with your assessment brian, there are no plans to bring down the numbers or even arrest the dramatic rise.
much hand wringing and talk of being cruel to be kind.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#10
Oh gawd - all these foreigners come into the country and get jobs so what is wrong with the Brits - there are 200 going in Ashford starting in the new year but mostly foreigners want them....
Unemployment figures are bad, yes - it is far from being what we want. But - at the end of the day the country has been driven to the verge by irresponsible government spending and it must be chopped. There is no other way - you cannot keep spending money you do not have without serious consequences. There are no easy solutions and the Eurozone problems also driven by insane levels of government spending make things a lot harder. I have said it before - we need bigger spending cuts, tax cuts and deregulation to get business moving and to get job creation going in the private sector, but that will only have a limited benefit unless more Brits get off their lazy backside and take the jobs.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
i don't see foreigners being mentioned here barry.
the facts are that there are fewer jobs and the cobbled together policies ensure there wil be no new ones in the forseeable future
maybe we should stop rattling on about deficits, deregulation, tax cuts and all the other stuff and think about people and how their lives are being affected?
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#12
Obsession has no logic.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
Barry, it is a fact that unemployed Brits apply for jobs and many are turned down. When 50 applications arrive at an employer's desk for each vacant job, is he supposed to take them all on?
No JSA claimant can receive unemployment money unless they apply each week for full-time unemployment. Anyone working at the Jobcentre can confirm this, just ask them!
So of-course Brits are trying hard to find work, they prove it every time they sign on, otherwise they wouldn't receive JSA.
Please don't come on now with "40 foreign nationals applying for a vacant job against only 10 Brit applications for the same job".
If 10 applicants for each job are British, that in itself is suffricient to prove they try to obtain work.
If 40 are foreign nationals, it cannot be otherwise, as the employment market in Britain is open to 500 million + people, so obviously there will be more applications from foreign nationals.
Your post 10 is something I'd have expected from Gordan Brown, and is not fair towards the millions of Brits who each week try hard to find work.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#14
barryw,no one has mentiond foringners here apart from you.
just a few examples here,
2000 people apllyed for 1 job at store 21 in dover alone,
an average of 500 aplying for one job is the norm at the moment,and likly to double in the next 6 months.please explain why this is happening.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#15
Howard - your post #11 is just words - you cannot hide away the economic problems and ignore them, that will not save a single job. Deficit reduction is about people, it is about getting the economy working and that means it is about more jobs but we have a lot of pain to go through to get there. It is a terrible position to be in and the blame can be laid at the last government who put us here. You cannot wish the problem of the deficit away.
What I was referring to are jobs and many are being taken by foreigners - a simple fact. There are jobs around. Brian - that is nonsense. Alexander I gave you an example of a real case and the man doing the recruiting was the source.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#16
I think there is a lot in what Howard says there BarryW. If there was some signs of a job led recovery we could perhaps take the HMG policy of cuts. But the cuts are coming thick and fast, which currently means putting people on the dole, but the private jobs are not appearing. Its a very strange situation...a very strange policy. We stand at this point with 2.64 million people out of work, my feeling is that its likely to be in the region of 3 million in the not too distant future.
On the upside...Morrisons announced yesterday that they will be offering 25,000 new jobs ( a lot are part time) in the coming year or two. They are opening 22 new stores if memory serves me right. The often derided supermarket sector is the only area of the economy thats buoyant by the looks of it.
Of course this will flatten town centres further, but as one talking head said the other day...its time we found a new use for town centres. I dont think he was wrong
Just a word about Germany. I have heard several excellent reports on their economy lately. One in Robert Peston's BBC2 economic series, the other in this weeks Panorama and again on the radio 4 this morning. UK youth unemployment more than 20%..Germany's just 8%.
They simply have a terrific manufacturing technology side to their economics. They still build their own products Mercedes Audi BMW VW among them, but not just those excellent machines ..much more too right across the manufacturing board, and they offer apprenticeships on a wide scale. They offer education in Universities that equipe students with the technological know-how to meet the needs of their manufacturing heritage. They create their own wealth. Even apart from those big household names mentioned, they build the unseen items in the innards of all sorts of machines and household items you use today. So when other countries (here for example)were abandoning their manufacturing past, they stuck with it.
As the statistics soar in the jobs market it reminded me of what Charlie Elphicke MP said the other day in his speech at the Hospital Rally and I did use the quote on the frontpage.
he said
"you are not just a number, you are a person "
Its worthwhile for those in government to remember this when they see the job totals rise. They are not just numbers, they are real people.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#17
PaulB - You cannot wish the deficit away... If you do not take action on that then those who lend the government money will demand higher interest rates.. imagine what that would do, higher mortgage rates, less spending power, business borrowing up so less profit, less taxes - a wicked circle. You cannot get away from the facts of life.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
We have to face the deficit problems and get over the pain to move forward.
The government needs to cut public spending more, and boost growth by cutting taxes and relieve businesses from red tape.... This is the way to shorten the pain. My beef with Osborne is that by not cutting enough quickly enough he is lengthening the transitional period.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#18
Just heard the latest report on the house repossession prediction for the coming year. It is estimated that 45,000 homes will be repossessed in 2012. The reason for this fairly awful prediction is that people are losing their jobs wholesale and cant meet the payments. The talking head from CML who carried out the survey wished this was an over prediction but sadly its not.
I saw a chap on TV the other night from the train maker in Derby ..Bombardier. He loses his job this Christmas as the contract to build the new UK trains has moved to Siemens in Germany. He is a young man in his thirties with kids and a wife and will now almost certainly lose his house as he has no other means whatsoever to pay for his motrtgage...no other prospect of a job. And he's a nice lad too.
This kind of thing is particularly sad, here we have people who want to work but cant, as opposed to those who dont want to work and dont. Its these guys who want to work who need huge help.
See my post 16...not just a number as Charlie said but a person.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#19
barryw,you still havent answerd the question in post 14.or can you not give an answer.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#20
To reduce unemployment and increase economic growth we need manufacturing capacity..........but we do not have any.
Cameron would not sign treaty for two reason`s.To protect the City Financial Services,which Europe says ``wants to carry on behaving like an Off Shore Tax Haven``and to appease 100 Tory MP`s from causing a rebellion in the Conservative Party.
Cameron would not save Bombardier in order to embarrass the previous government.Party Politics at the Nations expense at a time we need all the manufacturing work we can get.
Europe has enormous manufacturing capacity which is another reason for staying in Europe and Cameron knows it but all his action`s appear to be Political.
UK`s isolation means we are missing a ``Job`s Summit``meeting which we desperatly need to attend.
