Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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theres a lot of truth in post 20
still our barryw goes some way to justify the 3 million unemployed
and looks happy if it went up to 4 million which is likely.
chucking generations on the scrapheap and blaming immigrants and lazy britons(baz's words) is not the answer
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well Keith - if you are so clever, along with the other clever dicks like Reg - put forward on a thread how you would deal with the economic problems and stop unemployment going up.
Of course it would have to be credible and it would have to achieve the following:
1/ Keep those who lend us money to fund the deficit happy so they do not increase the interest rates we pay and to stop the rating agencies running scared.
2/ Get economic growth going regardless of the problems in our main European markets and a lack of customers there.
3/ Stop inflationary pressures from getting further out of control.
Come-on smarty pants - come up with your solutions. They will have to be yours because the Milliminor/Balls combination certainly do not have any kind of solution and only criticise like you do.
I will, of course do an economic critique of your plan.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, the more people are put out of work, the more benefits will have to be paid.
This means more tax will have to be paid to cover increased spending on benefits.
It also means that more people (the unemployed) will have less money to spend in the economy.
The Government is achieving the following: increased spending on benefits, so that people live a life of misery.
It's clear to see that there is no Coaliton programme to enhance in any way whatsoever the productive economy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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economic critique barry?
how about a humanity critique?
we all know what happened in the early eighties when whole communities were just abandoned as the big industries died.
when the recovery took place it was too late for many who had lost confidence and self respect and had become unemployable.
their offspring lived in houses where nobody ever went out to work, the same will happen this time.
all the facts, figures, graphs and pie charts will not explain the growth of our underclass and the effect they have on the rest of our society.
I still cannot quite get my head around the calls for free childcare so that mums can get back into the workplace and 'contribute'. What jobs are just sitting there waiting for return to work mums?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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A controversial thought, pay one parent to stay at home and look after their own children and let the other go to work.
Jobless figures would soon go down and some parents might actually learn/know how to keep their little dears under control.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan's idea is a good one. But what if the other can't find work? Unemployment in Dover District is up 22% on one year ago. The jobs are not there.
Either that, or they're not giving out the jobs to the locals, which is what I strongly suspect.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - why cant you understand that we have to get the economy working for the sake of 'humanity'... It is not one or the other. We have inherited a dreadful situation we should never have been landed in and it cannot be ignored. The two go hand in hand.
Alexander - the economy is not so simple as that you idea is not economically viable and is just not a plan. There is pain that we have to get through whatever.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan - money............... that would simply increase the amount of money being spent, yet more borrowing, interest rates shooting up - more unemployment.
That said and to be fair your idea does have merit. Many Conservatives have advocated something along those lines with transferable income tax allowances but it has been shelved due to cost.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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so there we have it
in post's in the past i have stated baz is happy to see 3 million,,,,,,,, 4 million
unemployed which he has denied
today we see no mattr how high the jobless goes, it doesn;t matter as long as we go some way to sort out the financial crisis
wow
good job swear words not allowed on here lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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barry
what you fail to understand is that the economy isn't working.
jobs going and companies reporting falling sales and all business confidence indicators show that there is very little confidence.
as reg would say "what a way to run a dance hall".
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard that is right - the economy is not working, that is my point. We have to get it working and that means the basic causes of the problem has to be rectified and that is the huge state burden and the massive budget deficit. More spending cuts, tax cuts and making life easier for business must be the priority.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 22..............
For 20 months we have had regurgitated;`previous government etc`,`Gordon Brown`,`we are all in this together !
`,`the blame game`.
For 20 months economic growth has disappeared.....cuts have hit the general public only...many,many `U` turns...ill-
concieved policies...damage to the little manufacturing we had...the rich getting richer and the poor dragged further
down the pile...party before people decisions...unemployment spiralling out of control...our youth left on the scape
heap...businesses failing daily...zero confidence everywhere...smart arse one liners...headline seeking with no follow
up/action...future jobs fund abolished.....future school building fund abolished...plan `A` Austerity ...isolation in
Europe...etc.
In 20 months we have not improved we have gone backwards.When a new government takes over they will have to
look at the books to see what mess Ollie has left...........but for starters...........£ 2 billion tax on bankers bonuses to
fund 100,000 jobs.....bring forward long term investment projects......reverse VAT tax to 2010 rate........one year cut in
VAT to 5% for home improvements..........one year national insurance tax break.
``Brown``...........critique ..........to follow.....yawn!.......Obsession removes logic.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Not one suggestion to improve the economy there Reg just a pile of twaddle.
Do you have any idea what would improve the economy - come on a challenge, give 5 specific things you would do. am not talking about sticking plasters or micro-policy but stuff that would have a significant impact on the broader economy regardless of what is happening in the Eurozone.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Obsession removes logic and the ability to read others posts properly in an effort to continue a rigid one sided theme.
We will never agree on politics/economy..............no problem thats life.............have a good 2012!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So no answers then Reg?
Well at least I do make suggestions as to where GO is not doing what he should.....
Anyway - a merry christmas and happy 2012 to you too....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
reg;
your the first to see blinkered barryw
dont let him get you down
your contributions help to even up what some see as a very one sided debate
no matter-what replies are given
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, to improve the economy, I keep to my very second Forum thread: get rid of Big Government.
Have a national Constitution of Economy that no government can ever come along and mess up.
Have local County administration boards to make sure the local businesses keep to the rules (these boards can keep better in touch with what's going on in their own area).
But the Tory party don't want to get rid of big government.
That is failure No 1. They're too busy getting involved in the whole world's economic problems, in particular Europe's problems.
Your idea of getting rid of Big Government comes from me, Barry!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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alevander
to be fair to barry he has always stated we have to much interference from govt and the less big govt involvement the better
and i think many forumites share this view
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Cameron calls for return to Christian values? ............................when he delivers bibles to all the schools could he
include all the bankers and Ollie ?