howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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gary
the decision was a massive own goal by the reds, we will never know who would have won the nomination now.
keith, in his letter, is merely saying what charlie and his team will stress all through the campaign.
the reds might have got away with pulling this stunt in a safe seat but in a marginal likely to be very hard foughr it comes across as suicidal.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Yes Howard, I agree with all of that but at the end of the day it was not Claire's fault and it should be National that is slated for it not Claire.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Labour crisis: Ed Miliband refers Falkirk Unite row to police and dismisses Len McCluckey's
claims as 'total nonsense'
The selection row has sparked the worst crisis of Ed Miliband's time as leader
Ed Miliband hit back today at the leader of Britain's biggest trade union as Labour's bitter row
with Unite over the union's influence inside the party intensified.
The selection row has sparked the worst crisis of Ed Miliband's time as leader, with Labour's
biggest union backer, Unite, accusing the party of "smears" over claims that it sought to swing
the contest by cramming the Scottish constituency with members.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this is like going back to the 70's and 80's with the reds with warring factions looking to take control of the party.
all they had to do was behave for 5 years and not say too much and wait for people to vote them in on the basis that they had done badly under the cobbled together coalition.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ed Milipede has run to the Police to stick the Union that pays Cheap-Labour!
What a cheap and nasty thing to do
Keith Sansum1
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Garyc
You are partly correct in your observations on the present Labour party fiasco.
Shooting themselves in the foot is a mild comment.
Just looking at the Women only shortlists issue, the national party did impose this on the local party, but the local party supported this move, so yes Claire is as much at fault as the national party.
Garyc coming from a socialist background I long for the day of my old labour party, one that looked out for those in need
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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keith s
old Labour left never wonted EU membership
with good reason .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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So that highlights why I will continue to make it clear why I, and others will spoil my ballot paper
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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MPs to Ed Miliband: You've got two weeks to show you're the boss
After the Falkirk affair - which led to the dramatic resignation of his general election
co-ordinator, Tom Watson - the IoS examines the Labour leader's worst week yet
Ed Miliband was last night given two weeks to reassert his authority over Labour as explosive
claims emerged, threatening a fresh Blairite-Brownite rift at the heart of his party.
The Labour leader was accused by a number of his own MPs of failing to show leadership over
the Falkirk affair which led to the dramatic resignation of his general election co-ordinator,
Tom Watson, last week.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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now eds trying to pally up with them again
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Little bit for the reds , from Fridays debate on a EU referendum.
Dennis Skinner (Bolsover, Labour)
In 1971, I voted against the then Common Market, and I voted for a referendum in 1975. Sadly, the country did not follow my advice, or we would not be doing what we are doing today. However, the Bill is deficient in one respect: it does not ask for a referendum until 2017. What we need is a referendum before the next election. Will the hon. Gentleman give that guarantee?
John Mann (Bassetlaw, Labour)
A majority of my constituents appear to agree with me rather than with the Prime Minister that the problem with Europe is that there is too much labour market flexibility, and that people are coming in and taking jobs here. Does the hon. Gentleman agree with me and my constituents that in the renegotiations we need to remove this labour market flexibility in Europe, or does he agree with the Prime Minister that what is needed in renegotiation is more free flow of labour?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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sure there was more than 2 anti EU speakers
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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All labour MPs abstained, how gutless is that.
Too scared to have an opinion for fear of upsetting the hierarchy
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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most m.p's are lobby fodder, talk about their constituency a lot but when push comes to shove they just do as they are told.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Spot on Howard, complete waste of space, scared of their own shadows let alone the whip.
What a way to run a democracy when the opposition orders its MPs to abstain.
Cameron is useless, Milliband is far worse
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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as bad david
not far worse
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Labour is about to implode Keith.
The unions realise they backed a mug, any fool could beat Cameron but Ed is floundering, he is utterly useless and far worse than Cameron.
If I were you I'd stop writing letters imploring people to spoil ballot papers, the tories love all that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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one nation ed is completely out of his depth and the unions know it. none of this would have happened under blair or even brown.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I don't see what's all the fuss? The labour and conservatives party are not democratic parties representing there voters .
The labour party has lost the party funders that Blair and mandillson invited to fund the party ,,, rich big business ,,,
If you pay then it's not surprising that you want things to go your way?
Labour now get there money from, the stolen political subs from union members.
So the unions want there people in the driving seat.
The conservatives get there money from hedge fund managers, city bankers and legal lone sharks.
So its no wonder they will drive polices towards helping its funders.
All the more reason not to vote for any of them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
i am pretty certain that union members have the option of paying the political levy.
things were altered under the late thatcher.
