Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think it looks out of place in a Town with the history Dover has.
Jan Higgins
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Thank goodness there is more to Dover than just its history which the DDC and others have depended on to much on in the past.
Dover needs to look to the future not rely or dwell on the past.
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Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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Jan, please can you tell me the difference between graffiti and acceptable street art? I must be blinkered, looks like the same 'artwork' that everyone was up in arms about, calling it criminal when plastered all over trains and buildings yesteryear.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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The Impressionist Movement had its many detractors too...
"The Impressionist era centered in France during the late 19th century, where the volatile political and social climate provided a fertile soil for the birth of an art movement that went against the grain of the traditional. The movement's name came from Monet's early work, Impression: A Sunrise, which was singled out for criticism by an art critique Louis Leroy on its exhibition. This art at first was viewed as controversial and it was considered to threaten the values that fine art meant to uphold...."
http://www.agotaspages.com/graphics/photo_art/impressionists/Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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Pauline,its either what you see or decay,which is better to look at.
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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I hear you Brian but hasn't graffiti style 'artwork' always been synonymous with neglect and decay? The hoarding that has been painted cream with the bluebirds hides and blends well with Cambridge Terrace buildings. Isn't that what Dover is trying to achieve, not draw attention to the rot?
Tom, I am very fond of Impressionist work and I believe in it's infancy, posters were pinned up all over Paris and subsequently torn down but are you seriously likening the impact of the artwork in your link with Howard's first posted photos?
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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Meant to say, I will have to agree to disagree on this one!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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The artist's are extremely talented and the art quite rightly has a recognised style of its own and in the right place is worthy of admiration.
But for me the art should reflect something about Dover itself, either from the past or maybe a vista of how Dover wants to be in the future.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I have said over many years both at meetings and in the press Dovers pass is Dovers future and that is the only way that the district will move ahead not by some odd painting which show and mean nothing.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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If we were to get into what is good art and what is bad art or what is art full stop we could certainly jaw-jaw until the end of days.
But, if we are to concern ourselves with all things 'future' we must surely address the gap between what is hoped for and what actually might happen, whether the baton of hope will pass successfully from one generation to the next.
Involving the next generation in doing only what the present generation thinks is the way forward does not give much scope for the ideas of the generation to come.
Pop-art daubings around the town of, "Come on you whites!" ticks most of the boxes:positive, Dover centric and perhaps even popular, yet such a message could be easily misunderstood.
Leaving Northern Ireland out of it for a moment, gable-end community murals have been, and are, very good ways of bringing the community and the generation together, and of promoting a positivity. Long-term hoardings could play their part here too.
Perhaps Dover is not quite there yet, with your 'Sharks' and your 'Jets':Those that want it neat and tidy and wait patiently for progress to kick-in and those who want to make their mark right now!!
Why not painted scenes of Channel Swims/water sports, local junior football teams at play? Anyway, why not put the question to the youngsters?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Tom.
The youngster's are our future and must be involved, encouraged and listened to but they still look to us for guidance and I think that is where they are being let down.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Just to clarify, the Town Team have commissioned KCollege to decorate the hoardings which they are in the process of. The graffiti/street art is nothing to do with us, somebody must be paying for it as the paint and time won't be cheap.
Perhaps somebody could enlighten us who is responsible?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you Mr Little for the update lets hope it is painted out and we get better ones in its place soon.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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That's it Howard, good stuff. My understanding is the blank spaces will be a little more creative, either way its a massive improvement, I'm sure we all agree
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thats more like it have the cliffs in the back ground.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Vic, we insisted on the bluebirds but asked the students to be creative, lets hope for the best
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The elephant in the room here is that we are wasting precious energy bickering over the artwork when the real issue is the hoardings themselves. Get rid of the hoardings and the art disagreements go with them.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
