Independent living fund
- 14 December 2010 20:1984629actually brian it was getting nasty, paul has enough on his plate at the moment without seeing the forum turning into one of those social networking sites with people hurling personal abuse at others.
- Keith Sansum1
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14 December 2010 20:2284630howard
i have replied to his posting which you deleted
i thought his last post related to me not barryw or paul
did wave to you earler at bottom of belgrave rd when we passed in the labour battle busALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Brian Dixon
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14 December 2010 20:2484631howard,understandable,must admit it was a bit nasty but was getting quite lively.
how is colette any way hope she is getting better.
- 14 December 2010 20:4184640keith
irrespective to who it was aimed at it was unacceptable.
was you in a blue van?
brian
i have no news, let's all hope and keep our fingers crossed. - Keith Sansum1
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14 December 2010 20:4384641howard
me in a blue van lol
yes it wasALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Jan Higgins
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14 December 2010 20:5484648Yes Barry does have a rather strange outlook on the world at times, rather like you Jimmy, but it is his right to express them, same as you Jimmy. The difference between you is that Barry does not insult fellow posters.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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14 December 2010 21:0784657jan
i share all but your last line
most of barryw postings don't encourage others to post but thats his choiceALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 December 2010 21:1084660Howard,
In response to your censorship I will wish you all, apart from that little toe rag Barry W, a merry christmas and bid you all a good bye. It is apparent that you Howard and by association Paul B lack the balls to curtail this evil little tyke so I shall leave you all to it. - 14 December 2010 21:1484663Barry W, as a healthy young man I fully agree with you, that you and I should be allowed to work, and that I should be allowed to run a few orchards and work them. Never mind that now!
But people who need help in their own homes so as not to go to a care-home, and who depend on State financing to receive this aid, should also be respected. They do not have the same possibilities, strength and health as you and I.
One of the foundations of Society should always be that we are there for the young and for the elderly, for the sick and generally for those in need.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Jan Higgins
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14 December 2010 21:1584664I hope you also delete Jimmy's post#28.
On second thoughts it might be a good idea to leave it so people can see the sort of person Jimmy is.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 14 December 2010 21:1584665good to see you being so magnanimous jimmy.
i wish you an excellent hogmanay. - 14 December 2010 21:1784666jan
i do not delete posts that attack me, would be unfair. - 14 December 2010 21:1784667Jan Higgins,
The crap does not come out of my mouth. It comes from your favourite little tory yes man!! - Jan Higgins
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14 December 2010 21:1784668Keith, I think the difference is that Barry does not deliberately set out to be insulting unlike Jimmy.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 14 December 2010 21:2584669unfortunately i do not have the facility to close a thread.
i started it out of genuine concern for people(some very young) that have conditions that mean they can never leave home without someone pushing them along.
inside their home they need all sorts of gadgets that enable them to make a simple cup of tea, some even have assistance dogs specially trained to operate things like washing machines for them.
34 posts(plus one deleted) later it has ended up with personal insults taking over.
i find it all rather sad. - 14 December 2010 21:5084678Sad as it may be Howard, and yet I wish we had the possibility to actually discuss nationwide this and other important topics, so as to think over what an issue implies, hear other people's views and express our own, and have a referendum. A constitutional provision would also leave open the space for a compromise.
Recently I signed up to Marie Cure, I think it's that name or similar, but on the agreement that I must first have enough income to contribute, which at present I do not have.
My major campaign in economy is and will be in the future that young people in our Country actually get the possibility to work, and receive a decent wage. Also, that ill and elderly people receive the aid they require within their own homes is important to me, as it is to many of us.
About an hour ago I watched an extract of a bagpipe display in Edinburgh of over ten thousand pipers and drummers in support of Marie Cure (sorry if I spelled it incorrectly). The lady presenting on the microphone said she is proud to be Scottish.
That what hurts me is that at present we have no way of opposing Barry W's viewpoint which the Government is representing, and cannot say No! That hurts me.
People who cannot defend themselves such as the elderly who receive financial help but now risk being carted out of their homes, and young and healthy people who want to work but de facto cannot... people who want to help but are overruled...it cannot all lead to a simple silencing off with everyone buckling down.
All I can say here is that I am proud that I listen to bagpipes! The Scottish Flaf Flying High!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 December 2010 21:5084680Scottish Flag!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Jan Higgins
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14 December 2010 21:5784681Alexander, I do not think the government is quite as right wing as Barry.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 14 December 2010 22:0084682Thank you Jan for your comments. Old Keithy loves to stir the brown stuff but he means nothing by it...
You are right, I am more 'right' than the government and my main fear is that they are not cutting spending enough.
Jan, I was interested in what you said - you think some of my ideas as odd or strange. Good, I am very glad you do. I would hate to be a conventional thinker, some of us need to think outside the box, that is how civilisation progresses. That said I would not put myself down as a particularly original thinker, my economic thinking for example is pretty much mainstream in the more prosperous booming economies of the world. In that recent tv programme 'Britains Trillion Pound Horror Story' they tackled many of the themes I have pursued, so I am not even particularly out on a limb in the UK. I do raise issues and say things that politicians who want to be elected will not say but that does not make me wrong. In other respects I am pretty much a traditional Tory who likes to challenge many of the so called 'modern' attitudes that I believe have led to a decline in our society.
I will not dignify a certain individual with further comment as he clearly has nothing worthwhile to contribute.
My point on the subject of the thread, if we can get back to it, is that there must be cuts to spending. 53% of GDP is totally unsupportable.
There is a valid debate as to what should be cut and for every cut there will be an argument that a particular group will be disadvantaged as in this case Howard raised. If you want to argue for one part of public spending to be preserved then you should identify something else of equivilent size to cut as an alternative. Sadly though, I fear that the cuts (so called) are not enough and will barely touch the deeper problems with our economy.
But the fact is the best way that help can be afforded to the disadvantaged is by sustainable economic growth and prosperity. To cut public spending is in the interests of everyone long term, short term pain for long term gain.
Lasting and sustainable economic success is simply out of our reach with public spending as high as it is, providing such a massive burden for the smaller private sector to carry.
The only way to correct this is by massively reducing the size of the public sector and boosting economic growth. We really do need public spending down below 30% of GDP to compete with the Far Eastern economies.
Once down to that level then increasing public spending could be linked to economic growth - what is important is not to allow it to impede growth and prosperity.
Public spending could actually be higher than now in cash terms, if as a smaller percentage of a much bigger economy. It is getting that economic growth while carrying the current public sector burden that is the difficult bit, it simply is not realistic so to spur growth we need to cut public spending. - Keith Sansum1
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14 December 2010 22:0484683barryw
im crying here lol
you didn't mention my defending you in post 16
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