Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Tom, it would depend on the severity of the misbehaviour, if bad enough I would not think twice my family comes first and always will.
Which is how the Civil Rights act should be used, nobody has ever suggested deporting anybody for committing a petty crime.
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Nope. If he lived more than a short walk away I'd see them to their house at the earliest opportunity and explain to their parents why they were home earlier than expected - been there and done it. What happens within their home is up to them, I'll not have misbehaviour in mine.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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your thoughtfulness will not go unrewarded on judgement day neil.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Good to see the court of popular opinion working well with the the honourable gentlemen (and women) of the tabloid press prosecuting their argument so pointedly and forcibly...
But hang on, where is the evidence of significant and systematic use of the Human Rights Act provisions?
Oh what, they haven't provided any; what? you mean their case is built on hearsay and extrapolation and dare I utter the word prejudice; but wait surely a highly qualified legal eagle like our MP wouldn't jump on such a band wagon
Oh dear he has,lets hope he doesn't fall off and get trampled by the baying crowds following on behind.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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rather easy to mock when the victims are not your loved ones.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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I knew I'd regret posting on this thread...never thought I might be considered to be speaking out of prejudice though.....
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Some see prejudice where there is none intended and some fail or should that be prefer to not to see the faults where others can.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Ministers and Supreme court chief at odds over use of human rights laws.
Britain will have to withdraw from the United Nations as well as the European court of human rights if it wants to deport terrorist
suspects to states that carry out torture ,the country`s most senior judge warns.
The President of the supreme court Lord Neuberger said the court was ``not subservient but works dialogue with the judges in
Strasbourg.
The axles on the bandwagon are rather worn............
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Interesting responses Howard, Neil & Jan
I was (please read my post carefully) accusing the popular press of prejudice - but if the cap fits....
To be clear I believe there is a small hardcore of lawyers and their clients who take advantage of every opportunity to avoid their fate, however this in and of itself is no grounds or justification for a wholesale diminution of all our rights. It is also worth noting that many of our European sister states do not seem to have the same problems with their transposition of the Human Rights directive onto their statute books and its subsequent interpretation by local courts etc.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross - are you suggesting that we did not have 'rights' before 1998?
That is, of course, absurd to suggest that. The problems arise from enshrining 'rights' into law in an ill-conceived piece of legislation.
Rights without duties are no rights at all, just licence for criminal abuse of all of our rights....
The HRA is probably the worse piece of legislation to have ever passed parliament and the European Court has lost all touch with the very real problems it was set up to deal with.
I really do not care two hoots about what happens to terrorists we extradite. That is a matter for the law in the countries to which they are deported. Unless, of course, they are only a danger to the regimes in those countries, that is another matter. The measure should be whether they are a danger to the UK or not.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Wow
I think Ross is right our MP and maybe even some others, together with the press have decided to jump on the band wagon.
The human rights act has changed a lot of UK lives and the bigger picture should be looked at.
Thats not to say there may be some avenues to be visited.
But to isolate the UK is not only silly, it will just make matters worse
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,885
Ross I was not replying to your comment or any other it was simply an observation on life in general.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The people who won't deport criminals to their own countries are the real racists here, in effect they are saying that the host country can't be trusted to deal with people fairly.
Thats what I call racism.
I'm also curious if anybody can define the difference between a right and a law and which holds precedent.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Never mind 1998, how about 978?
"At his coronation, King Ethelred II promised that he would "prohibit all manner of rapine and injustice to men of every condition". This commitment to human rights dates from the year 978.
Yet now the Home Secretary wishes to set this country against our ancient tradition of respect for the individual by withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights. That document has done more good for this country than any short-sighted anxiety over adverse court rulings could ever overcome.
Jeremy Goldsmith
Newark-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/9910763/Theresa-May-was-right-to-criticise-judges-for-failing-to-deport-criminals.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think there is a misconception by some on here the scrapping of the current convention would leave nothing to replace it. every country have their own values, much better for us all to have our own individual charter.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ah yes Howard, how I miss the awesome spectacle of the Show Trial, the total correctness of the informant's point of view etc..
With our pillow-talk covert policing and our 'new found' love of secret trials this must be the right time to redefine the relationship between the citizen and the state, I don't think.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Any particular show trial you have in mind Tom?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Well David, if Howard is right, that it is right and proper for each state to do just as it pleases Show Trials would be nothing out of the ordinary, nevertheless...
The most recent example is from China and concerned the death of a UK citizen, the defendant 'may or may not have been'* Bo Xilai.
*It has been reported that there is widespread use of Surrogate Defendants in criminal trials in China.
But, as we both go back a bit David, who can forget the wonders of the USSR...
http://thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4679-recalling-the-moscow-show-trials
Then of course, here in the UK we have had one or two from the HoCs and the HoLs as exemplars in our 'fight' against corruption.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Tom you are all over the place. This is about what we do with foreign criminals on release from prison, you've now diverted it to China and Soviet Russia.
Perhaps you should start a campaign in Tiananmen Square, they'll make you feel at home
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Incidentally Tom I presented you with an open goal and you fluffed it. How I mentioned show trials and you missed the opportunity to mention the Nazis.
You've got racism and little Englander in, but that really was a schoolboy error
